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General Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: West Augusta on August 12, 2011, 12:51:39 PM
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Rumours are starting to fly. If this happens will the BCS fall apart?
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6851396/texas-governor-says-texas-considering-move-sec
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i will believe it when i see it. this was talked about last year as well and nothing happened. if it were to happen, i wouldn't be surprised to see texas become an independent, like candy-a.z.z. notre dame is. schools that don't play in a conference are a joke and shouldn't be eligible to compete in bcs bowl games.
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I agree with that one Ron. Especially since Noder Lame can STEAL a BCS Bowl bid from the Big East.
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Tex A&M is dying to go to the SEC and who can blame them? They couldn't come alone, so there would have to be another team to join and balance the conference. I'd love to see another quality team or two in the SEC such as a Virginia Tech, FSU, Clemson, or Ga Tech...
If the SEC doesnt want more total schools I'd by happy to see Vandy and Kentucky get the boot to allow better programs in.
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Tex A&M is dying to go to the SEC and who can blame them? They couldn't come alone, so there would have to be another team to join and balance the conference. I'd love to see another quality team or two in the SEC such as a Virginia Tech, FSU, Clemson, or Ga Tech...
If the SEC doesnt want more total schools I'd by happy to see Vandy and Kentucky get the boot to allow better programs in.
georgia tech, are you kidding me? nobody wants those clowns in the sec.
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Sitting here watching it on tv as I speak, they are saying there are serious talk about Florida State coming as well. Which I hope not, I can't stand Florida State. Chad, as far as the SEC letting Kentucky go, that won't happen, simply for the pure fact that the SEC won't want to let the money that the UK basketball team brings them go to another conference. I would say if they were to let any schools go it would be Vandy, and eitherOle Miss or Mississippi State. Because truthfully they are no better competition the Kentucky. Plus that would give one team from each division leaving. JMHO.
Patrick
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http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6857085/sec-high-demand-texas-florida-state-talk-simmers
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Chad, as far as the SEC letting Kentucky go, that won't happen, simply for the pure fact that the SEC won't want to let the money that the UK basketball team brings them go to another conference.
sorry, but uk basketball, nor any other sec bball team for that matter, is bringing in a bunch of money. the sec athletic department's live off the revenue generated by the football teams. basketball just isn't that important in the sec as a whole.
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I agree with the fact football brings in more money than basketball. I live in Kentucky, just 20 minutes from UK, every other basketball teams in the SEC don't bring in a bunch of money. There are 3 exceptions to this, Duke, NC, and UK. These basketball programs bring in money. If you have never experienced the rabid-ness of UK basketball fans first hand you wouldn't understand how much money they spend. I'm not saying this as a UK fan, because I am not. I am a Florida fan. But I am telling you, the SEC will do everything in their power to keep UK in the conference because of the basketball.
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from forbes (2009)-
The North Carolina Tar Heels, who reached the national semifinals in two of the past four years, is once again the most valuable team in college basketball, worth $25.9 million. Last year the Tar Heels generated $16.4 million of operating income (second to only Louisville's $16.6 million) making North Carolina one of only a handful of colleges that made more money from basketball than football. Tar Heel merchandise, including jerseys adorned with the numbers of famed alums like Michael Jordan and Vince Carter, outsold goods from the other 11 Atlantic Coast Conference schools for the 13th consecutive year.
I agree that uk fans are rabid when it comes to basketball, but the money they generate is not that significant, in the overall scheme of things.
so, the most valuable basketball program in the country, pulls in $22 million less that the 20th most valuable football program-
the 20th-ranked Oklahoma State Cowboys, worth $47 million. (per forbes)
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georgia tech, are you kidding me? nobody wants those clowns in the sec.
GA Tech has consistently played well in many sports over the past few decades. Their fans are passionate and geographically they are in the heart of SEC country. Whats more, Tech's strong academic requirements would bring a bit of credibility to a conference that doesnt fare well scholastically with the ACC and to a lesser degree the Big East. Let us not forget the real reason the athletes are on those campuses is to learn something..
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The Chokies aren't going anywhere. They can't go without Virginia. Some kind of legislature thing from what I have heard.
Odds on favorite of the rumor mill is Clemson ? Then Florida State but I hear that Florida isn't interested in having instate competition.
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Chad, I would agree with Georgia Tech, or even Clemson. Anybody but Florida State. But that is just a selfish thing on my behalf, I hate Florida State. They are saying the state of Texas might step
In and stop it. If that is so, that will put a stop to it all probably.
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georgia tech, are you kidding me? nobody wants those clowns in the sec.
GA Tech has consistently played well in many sports over the past few decades. Their fans are passionate and geographically they are in the heart of SEC country. Whats more, Tech's strong academic requirements would bring a bit of credibility to a conference that doesnt fare well scholastically with the ACC and to a lesser degree the Big East. Let us not forget the real reason the athletes are on those campuses is to learn something..
Not sure where you heard that GT's fans are passionate. They don't even sell out their little stadium in the heart of Atlanta. GT brings the SEC nothing, in terms of getting into a new market, or generating much revenue.
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ESPN announcing that a formal offer to Texas A & M from the SEC may come as soon as this weekend.
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KYTURKEY, you may hate Florida State but remember one thing Florida State equals money. This whole SEC expansion thing is about an SEC championship game, SEC TV which all means money. It's ALL about money, not who likes who.
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Not sure where you heard that GT's fans are passionate. They don't even sell out their little stadium in the heart of Atlanta. GT brings the SEC nothing, in terms of getting into a new market, or generating much revenue.
I lived in Atlanta for over 20 years and I'm fully aware of Tech's fan base as I've spent a few afternoons in Bobby Dodd stadium. Tech still averages 46,000+ people at home games against some of the most miserable teams in college football. This is only 10% less attendance than Ole Miss, Miss ST, and Kentucky.
Who would pay money to see anyone take on Duke or Wake Forest in football? I'm convinced in a city as large and with as many non-native transplants as Atlanta has that Georgia Tech would benefit tremendously from SEC competition. Dont forget, the SEC travels well and to be sure a visiting UGA, Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, or Florida would be a huge draw. Easily offsetting that 10% we discussed earlier.
Plus Tech is one of the highest rated public universities in the country and currently ahead of any school in the SEC. I'd argue that Tech would be a real victory for the conference...
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Any team would benefit from sec competition. I see zero benefit of bringing GT in. This is about money and GT isn't gonna help with that. I still live i Atlanta and GT's fan base is pathetic. They try all sorts of gimmicks to fill the seats and it still isn't working.
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West Augusta, I realize it's all about money. As I said before, the FSU thing is a selfish act on my behalf. How can I like them when I am a Florida fan? We have to remember that this is all pretty much hinging on the Texas state government and whether they will let Texas A&M leave the big 12 or not
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Georgia Tech used to be in the SEC A long time ago...I think....They got mad at Alabama or something...I cant remember.
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Georgia Tech used to be in the SEC A long time ago...I think....They got mad at Alabama or something...I cant remember.
Many years ago, they were in the sec.
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*lol*KYTURKEY, if you are a Florida fan then I do understand your hatred. *lol*
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/08/12/sec-realignment-rumors/index.html?xid=si_ncaaf
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Wiltznucs....I just saw this and there's no way they would kick Kentucky out of the SEC.... *wha* Not a one sport league. I know Ky's not the powerhouse in football..... More like a door mat. KyHunter is right, Basketball is King here anyway by October were done with football and it's time to go to Rupp Arena. Kentucky is the winningest basketball program in the Country period *bowing*, Fans travel really well (even for the football also) and spend where they go so that covers the money thing. I must say Ky is slowing getting better each year with the pigskin and I know we will give a solid 3 quarters before we give it back and lose a close one in the end. *up* We will upset someone for sure this year.... Hoping it's FL or Tenn. or both, but still a long tuff rough road ahead. But when it time for the basketball to hits the court....."Kentucky Rules" the SEC!
Kyhunter for you to live in Lexington, KY and be a gator fan and a KY hater... >!!... You must be from out of town my friend and it time to go back to Louisville were you belong with your thoughts about KY are shared with all the other hater's here.... *peep* ;D J/K ROTFLMBO
Sorry about my rant, but I'm one of those rabid blueblooded Kentucky Fan RkLu
No to GT..... I'd like to have Louisville in the SEC..... They make money and I Love Kicking Louisvillle Cardinals AZZes
" Rabid KY Fan"
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I don't see Kentucky being pushed out, but see no benefit in grabbing Louisville either. Kentucky might be a basketball state, but the sec is not a basketball conference, nor is that the push. The money is in football, plain and simple. There is no comparing SEC football and SEC basketball, from a fan, nor revenue perspective.
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B-Ready, the reason I am not a UK fan is in your earlier response. The UK fans give up on the football team come October, then turn around and wonder why they never get any better. And wonder why UK can't getthe best recruits in football. The kids playing the game hear this and they give up to because they know the fans dont care about them. The fans are the reason I am not a fan of UK. They are te most hypocritical people in the world. They love it when everything is going great, but once UK loses a few games they are ready to fire everybody and start over. Plus they always think the NCAA is out to get UK. B-Ready, I'm not from Louisville. I was born and raised in Harrodsburg, and now live in Wilmore. LOL.
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The problem with Ky football IMO is the lack of winning. I can give you so many cases were they had the game won and at the last minute..... Just plain lost it. Like you said Fans support football or any of the sports if there winner's. Not interested seeing a bunch of losers play.. That why Ky doesn't have a pro team of any kind. You got the fan base all wrong though. Other people know our passion about Basketball, 24/7/360 and they want to label you "rabid".... When you have the winningest program in history... There again called " Rabid."... there's going to be passion for winning... That at any school.. I can label Gators fans and many other schools just as crazy and "Rabid" about football as we are about our Basketball.... I'm proud to be a Rabid UK fan!! *cheers*
Espn: Just said they will announce Monday that the Auggie's will go to the SEC... 3 more team are being looked at also.
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Just think of how different it would have been in Kentucky, if all those years ago the university would have given Bear Bryant a Cadillac instead of a watch. UK would have been a powerhouse in both football and basketball. I'm sure any other schools fans are as bad as UKs, but I don't live near them and have to hear everyday how great they are.
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Just think of how different it would have been in Kentucky, if all those years ago the university would have given Bear Bryant a Cadillac instead of a watch. UK would have been a powerhouse in both football and basketball. I'm sure any other schools fans are as bad as UKs, but I don't live near them and have to hear everyday how great they are.
You are a gator's fan, about as obnoxious as they come.
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Well Ron, apparently you don't read real well. I said I'm sure other schools are as bad as UK fans, but I don't live near them, so I don't have to listen to them talk about how great they are. What school are you a fan of Ron?
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I read just fine and was commenting on the fact that you are a UF fan. And I'm a fan of a team that you guys have owned for the past 10 yrs, UGA!
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And you say Florida fans are obnoxious. Georgia fans are pretty bad, they brag about being great and haven't done anything to brag about for quite a while. Just saying.
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Latest rumor. Clemson, Fl. State. Missouri and Texas a & m to join sec. Anybody hearing anything?
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MO to SEC... oh my that is a joke... all the Big 12 teams that are leaving are upset that the Longhorns got a very lucrative package in a sport most of them stink in ... football. Nebraska left because they were not the dominate team there. Oklahoma hasn't said much and I figured they'd be irrate...
The Big 12 is more known for basketball which doesn't bring in the money like football.
About 5 months ago, MO was looking at jumping to the Big 10 and they never got an offer. MO would offer zero to the SEC. Basketball isn't what it used to be and they might be a decent football team this year, but I'm not much up on that.. (sorry Bruce :( )... Ok this is coming from a huge Jayhawks fan who's football team really stinks....
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I bet you see that big check spit to satisfy the rest of the big 12 especially if Missouri thinks about leaving. Missouri should have went big 10.
I am a FSU fan and uncertain on how I fell about the move. Yes it would be great I could see them play in Kentucky but the ACC is a good conference for them.
Dave
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What big check are you speaking of?
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The big check that Texas got for staying in the Big 12?
The money from the Longhorn network TV deal?
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The big check that Texas got for staying in the Big 12?
The money from the Longhorn network TV deal?
Why on earth would Texas share that money? Texas carries the big 12. The big 12 needs Texas, not the other way around. Texas is cashing in and I see them going independent, before they would share their tv deal.
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http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6861385/sec-extend-invitation-texas-leaves-options-open
Sorry TAMU but not this time. *cry*
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I wonder what happened?
Dave
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I've read rumors that their buyout from the Big 12 might be as high as 30 million and or the SEC decided to do nothing until after the tuesday meeting with the Texas legislature, SEC, Big 12, and Texas A&M.
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what i heard this morning, is that the sec "tapped the brakes", in regards to the invitation. basically meaning that the sec wants to figure out what is going to happen when a&m meets and that the sec doesn't want to look like they are raiding another conference. so, if a&m decides to leave, then the sec might then invite them to join up, but probably not before knowing (for sure) who the 14th team would be.
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It's not a dead issue. The SEC is just trying to avoid tampering charges in court. Once the House Committee on Education meets tomorrow in Texas then we will know how and if A&M is going to join. Bottom line, the line has been crossed and A&M will not be in the Big 12 this time 2 years from now. I'm willing to bet that by the end of the week an invitation is given to TAMU by the SEC. This is just CYA by the SEC.
Aside from all that, regardless of what happens with TAMU and the SEC college football will not be the same. Texas and their greed will change the game for the worse. I don't understand why SEC people want a mediocre program like TAMU to join? Before anyone spews the TV garbage, I am speaking strictly from a fans stand point. TV ratings do nothing for me as a fan.
For me, the third week of the season when Bama plays Arkansas that games sets the tone for the season for both teams. For UGA and USC it's the game they play against one another. The day those games become less important is the day that the excitement of college football is lost.
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Aside from all that, regardless of what happens with TAMU and the SEC college football will not be the same. Texas and their greed will change the game for the worse. I don't understand why SEC people want a mediocre program like TAMU to join? Before anyone spews the TV garbage, I am speaking strictly from a fans stand point. TV ratings do nothing for me as a fan.
it has NOTHING to do with what the fans want, simple as that. when has any conference, or the ncaa, ever done what the fans want? this is all about money and tapping into other markets, such as dallas, possibly d.c. (with va. tech) and others. the writing is on the wall and when things starting shaking up last year, all conferences took note. the sec is doing what is in THEIR best interest, meaning that changes are going to be happening and they want to get their foot in the door first and don't want to be on the outside looking in. it's a shame that this is going to happen, but it probably will. and you are correct, the greed of texas is big reason for all of this happening and the thing is, they will probably go independent when it's all said and done.
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What will be interesting and why I am interested in all of this is IF TAMU goes to the SEC, there will be one or three more additions. These additions will come from the Big 12 and/or the ACC. The ACC not wanting to be left behind in the conference championship game will then raid the remaining Big 12 and or the Big East. The Big East and Big 12 will no longer exist. College football as we know it is about to change. Then, what about basketball. The Big East has many basketball only schools. Will this be the straw that finally breaks Noder Lame forcing them to join a conference?
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What will be interesting and why I am interested in all of this is IF TAMU goes to the SEC, there will be one or three more additions. These additions will come from the Big 12 and/or the ACC. The ACC not wanting to be left behind in the conference championship game will then raid the remaining Big 12 and or the Big East. The Big East and Big 12 will no longer exist. College football as we know it is about to change. Then, what about basketball. The Big East has many basketball only schools. Will this be the straw that finally breaks Noder Lame forcing them to join a conference?
basketball is of little concern to most, me included.
as for the real issue, are they going to jump to 14, or 16 teams? no way to tell at this point and a lot of it will depend on who the sec goes after. if the sec goes after a&m and then goes and get's mizzou and vt and possibly nc, things could get interesting. it was mentioned this morning that clemson and fsu going to the sec is highly unlikely, as you really aren't getting anywhere, as it relates to new markets.
lots of things are at play here and it is going to be real interesting. will texas end up an independent, or will notre dame get lured into a conference?
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This will not force Notre Dame to join a conference, be cause you do not have to be in the same conference for every sport. Just as Notr Dame is independent in football, and in the Big East in basketball. Texas will do the same just as BYU did.
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I hear that VaTech isn't allowed by state law to leave without Virginia. Not sure but that's what the boards say.
VaTech would be the prize though, moreso than TAMU in my opinion.
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I hear that VaTech isn't allowed by state law to leave without Virginia. Not sure but that's what the boards say.
VaTech would be the prize though, moreso than TAMU in my opinion.
i had heard the same about a&m last year, that they were tied to texas and that the state was going to get involved, but who knows.
va tech would be the prize in terms of what you are getting from a football standpoint, but a&m is a bigger prize when it comes to new t.v. market.
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This will not force Notre Dame to join a conference, be cause you do not have to be in the same conference for every sport. Just as Notr Dame is independent in football, and in the Big East in basketball. Texas will do the same just as BYU did.
will be interesting to see. their hand might be forced, as it relates to bcs invites...
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Especially if the Big East implodes.
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I think in the coming years your going to only see about 4-5 Super conferences, one will be in the west- mid-west- south- east - north east. Them maybe they can do away with all the bowls and finally get a true playoff system in place.
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I think in the coming years your going to only see about 4-5 Super conferences, one will be in the west- mid-west- south- east - north east. Them maybe they can do away with all the bowls and finally get a true playoff system in place.
Why do you want playoffs and do you feel that actually crowns a true champion?
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I think in the coming years your going to only see about 4-5 Super conferences, one will be in the west- mid-west- south- east - north east. Them maybe they can do away with all the bowls and finally get a true playoff system in place.
Why do you want playoffs and do you feel that actually crowns a true champion?
that would depend on how many teams are involved. for starters, it's garbage that an independent school, like notre dame, can pick and choose who they play and then compete in a bcs bowl. secondly, if the two best teams were from the same conference (sec would be a good example), as it stands now, one team, which is possibly the second best in the country, is going to be penalized for losing in a conference championship game.
they also need to get rid of pre-season rankings, because they are a joke. no poll should come out until several weeks in. rankings in august are good for selling magazines and that's it.
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I think in the coming years your going to only see about 4-5 Super conferences, one will be in the west- mid-west- south- east - north east. Them maybe they can do away with all the bowls and finally get a true playoff system in place.
Why do you want playoffs and do you feel that actually crowns a true champion?
that would depend on how many teams are involved. for starters, it's garbage that an independent school, like notre dame, can pick and choose who they play and then compete in a bcs bowl. secondly, if the two best teams were from the same conference (sec would be a good example), as it stands now, one team, which is possibly the second best in the country, is going to be penalized for losing in a conference championship game.
they also need to get rid of pre-season rankings, because they are a joke. no poll should come out until several weeks in. rankings in august are good for selling magazines and that's it.
Anything more than 4 teams is garbage. Most years the top 4 teams could be interchanged in the rankings. If you go to an 8 team or even 16 team playoff then it becomes laughable. 2 years ago Georgia Tech finished ranked 8th, meaning they would be in a playoff for the national championship in that type system. Anyone who argues that they belong in a play off for the NC has no business discussing the issue. I do agree that the pre season rankings are a joke. If you create a 8 team or 16 team playoff then the cards are still stacked against teams from the SEC.
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Why do you want playoffs and do you feel that actually crowns a true champion?
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Do you feel the BCS actually crowns a "TRUE" champion? I know the BCS doesn't crown a true champion. If that were the case Florida and LSU both would have one less title. A playoff might not be the answer, but it is better than the BCS. At least in a playoff the teams take it into their own hands, not waiting on a bunch of guys and a computer none the less to decide the fate of the teams. JMHO
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Why do you want playoffs and do you feel that actually crowns a true champion?
Do you feel the BCS actually crowns a "TRUE" champion? I know the BCS doesn't crown a true champion. If that were the case Florida and LSU both would have one less title. A playoff might not be the answer, but it is better than the BCS. At least in a playoff the teams take it into their own hands, not waiting on a bunch of guys and a computer none the less to decide the fate of the teams. JMHO
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Didn't say the computer or the BCS was the answer. But a play off does not "decide" anything on the field. If team A plays LSU, Auburn, MS State, and Florida as their final games of the season. Then team B plays Nevada, San Jose State, Utah State, and San Diego State as their final games. Two weeks later there is a playoff and team A and B meet how is that crowning a true champion? How is that considered a level playing field? Look, I'm an ultra competitive guy but a playoff is not the answer to the problem. People say that it's not fair, tough crap, life ain't fair. If Boise St. TCU and the like wanna be taken seriously then do it old school style like FSU and Miami and play anybody, anywhere. Simple as that. A playoff does not crown the best team, it crowns the hottest team of the moment. Look at The NCAA basketball tournament, UCONN was not the best team last year. Go back over the last 10 years and the best team has not won the title but once or twice. Until the little fellas decide to go on the road and consistently play the big boys then they should be happy that their football game is on TV on Wed., Thurs, and Friday nights.
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Boise St. Has said they will play anybody anywhere anytime. Nobody will take them up on it. Many SEC schools have openly said they dont want to play them. They have said their conference schedule is tough enough, they don't want to play someone like that in the non conference schedule. You will see one or
Two them every now and then play a tough game like that, LSU/Oregon, Ole Miss/BYU, for example this year. But for the most part they won't. What would be your system to
Crowning a true champion? Just curious.
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Boise St. will play anybody anywhere IF you pay them a tidy sum. That is with most teams. It is nearly impossible for some teams to get quality out of conference opponents.
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The " tidy sum" can go for any school. They are not going to go play for nothing. Any school in ANY of the major confrences make enough money to pay Boise State, or any of the others to come play them. If they don't want to pay them, go play at Boise State. Don't get me wrong, I'm an SEC guy thru and thru. But these major conferences complain about the "non-BCS" schools being ranked real high and having a shot, but they won't play the GOOD non-BCS teams.
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The " tidy sum" can go for any school. They are not going to go play for nothing. Any school in ANY of the major confrences make enough money to pay Boise State, or any of the others to come play them. If they don't want to pay them, go play at Boise State. Don't get me wrong, I'm an SEC guy thru and thru. But these major conferences complain about the "non-BCS" schools being ranked real high and having a shot, but they won't play the GOOD non-BCS teams.
First, the money is in the home games, so no team, unless they are trying to get recognized, is going to do that. And the major conferences having an issue with non-bcs schools being ranked so high, has to do with the level of competition they play against...any school can be the best, for one game. I'd point to app state over Michigan and va tech's loss to James Madison.
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First, the money is in the home games, so no team, unless they are trying to get recognized, is going to do that. And the major conferences having an issue with non-bcs schools being ranked so high, has to do with the level of competition they play against...any school can be the best, for one game. I'd point to app state over Michigan and va tech's loss to James Madison.
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I think it's funny the big schools will pay the small schools, or the non-BCS teams that are not as good to come play them, but they won't pay the Boise States, for example, becaus they are good and they might beat the big school and ruin their chance for a National Title. I'm saying this against all big schools, even my Florida Gators. If they don't like them being ranked because they play poor competition, the big schools need to play the smaller schools and either beat them and take their ranking, or get beat by them and give them the respect they deserve. I agree that anybody can beat anybody on a given night, no arguments there. But until the big schools, or conferences give the smaller schools or conferences a chance we will never know who is better or if the smaller schools are deserving if these rankings. The only way it can ever be solved is on the field.
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http://v4.texags.com/Stories/2662
On Texas A&M's current displeasure with the Big 12... "A number of issues are out there. It's not so much what's wrong with the Big 12, it's what's right with Texas A&M and where we want to go in time. We have, for quite some time, evaluated the effect of our visibility on our brand value and on our athletes as well. Clearly these are difficult times financially for all universities, especially public universities, and we certainly owe it to the taxpayers of Texas to make sure that whatever we do here at Texas A&M helps to benefit the University financially in ways that support not just one part but the entire University itself. We're looking at this more as a forward-looking, positive thing, evaluating where we are in time. And, again, achieving greater visibility for us as a University and for our student-athletes and also being able to deal with additional revenues that we possibly can to help the University enterprise be successful and grow."
On the timeline of discussions with the SEC... "Just to give you a sense of timing here, Commissioner Slive and I have known each other for a while. Recently, I spoke to him at the Cotton Bowl on the seventh of January this year, we just kind of bumped into each other down the field from time to time and also in the box and had very brief conversations there. That was all of it until late in the afternoon of July 21st, following a meeting of this board, where we discussed where we were with the very issues that the previous reporter asked me about. At that time, I did reach out to Commissioner Slive by telephone. We began a conversation we've had off-and-on now for the last few weeks.
On what the action today by the Board means... "It means only one thing, it means that I have the authority to move forward with any types of conversations, negotiations or agreements required over time —with time not being limited —in terms of our conference alignment."
On whether or not there is now an SEC timeline... "Not for me. None was mentioned today in the Board action. You all heard that yourselves. I feel no specific time pressure to be able to arrive at any conclusion at this point."
On whether there are other conferences than the SEC he's spoken with... "At this time, no."
On whether the SEC provides the stability for A&M that he seeks... "Let's take it one step at a time here. First of all, the Big 12 went through a very major upheaval last year. I think all of you are aware of that. We've gone through another one more recently. You can judge for yourself it that's instability or not, but more importantly if you look at the SEC, and other conferences as well, you'll find a different kind of record. That's just what it is. And you all know as well as I do the record of the other conferences."
On accepting an SEC bid if it's offered... "There are so many variables there that I couldn't answer that question. There is no bid. There has never been a bid to invite us into the SEC, received by us at any time in the past, and if it were to occur in the future we would certainly want to evaluate that."
On the significance of the SEC not extending an invitation to A&M yesterday... "I didn't expect anything to happen yesterday in that regard. I became aware, as many of you may have, through many kinds of means that there was going to be a meeting of the SEC presidents and chancellors. That happened. Given the conversations I'd had with Commissioner Slive and those internal to Texas A&M, I didn't expect anything out of yesterday's meeting."
On why the SEC didn't extend an invitation... "I believe their press release speaks for itself. It's very clear. They said simply that they are satisfied with where they are now but they understand that the landscape of college sports is dynamic and may change over time and they wanted to have a series of conversations and processes in place and mechanisms to be able to evaluate how they might want to change over time. That's a perfectly valid thing to do in this day and time."
On whether A&M would have to leave the Big 12 before the SEC could extend an invitation... "All I can tell you is, looking at last year when we had two departing members, I recall in particular the letter sent to us by the University of Nebraska at Lincoln, which said simply that, "If we are extended an invitation to join the Big Ten, we would then withdraw from the Big 12." That's how that letter was [written]. I haven't done anything like that at this point in time, nor thought about it very seriously, but clearly that's a model of last year's event that we can look to and say that's how one school chose to couch their specific termination approach to the Big 12."
On conversing with the Big 12 about this unhappiness... "Oh yes. The Big 12 directors have met twice just recently to discuss the difficulties within the conference right now. Most recently on Saturday afternoon. I think a press release again came out of that from the chairman of the Board, the chancellor of Missouri University at Columbia, which again discussed what happened at that meeting. I was there for part of that meeting."
On whether A&M's active goal is to be in the SEC... "I can't say yes to that at all. The goal I said earlier is we want to really be sure that Texas A&M's visibility, nationally, is enhanced, that for our student-athletes it's the best it can be, and we need to be sure we financially obtain the best resources we can for the purposes of the entire University's future."
On feedback from his coaches on the possible shift... "I met with most of our head coaches and Coach Sherman this weekend. We had a very frank, open conversation for a while. I invited very strongly at that meeting any comments they had, as well as anything they wanted to share with me later. We had a number of issues we talked about there, of all kinds. An example might be issues of scholarships and how they play out in different conferences, different parts of the country, different states, things like that. I felt very comfortable that the coaches understand that we are looking at probably a lengthy process to go through and evaluate what we might or might not do over time. It's very important to me to make sure that the coaches have a vehicle by which they can actually speak to me. Normally that's through our AD, but he was out of the country at the time. I thought, because of all the media attention, that I owed the coaches a time with me personally to make sure they had a chance to talk to me directly and ask questions and me listen to their comments in particular. We had a good afternoon, again, several coaches had a number of things to say about what might or might not happen within a conference shift, and I appreciated their frankness with me."
On playing Texas if A&M did leave the Big 12... "I would just say this, that if we were to negotiate with other conferences of any kind, SEC or anybody else, a primary criterion would be our ability to continue a non-conference contest each year, hopefully on Thanksgiving Day or thereabouts, with our friends at UT-Austin. That's a historic rivalry. We see no reason why it could not continue under a different conference arrangement. If they chose to do so, we certainly want to make that part of any discussion we have with another conference."
On what he would say to Aggie fans waiting this process out... "I'm an Aggie and Aggies aren't always patient. But I would ask you —we look at anything we might do. Remaining in the Big 12, changing conferences, anything we might do, as a very long-term prospect. A hundred-year kind of decision. You don't make those decisions lightly, or quickly. We really want to take our time and think about this very carefully, listen to internal voices and external voices. I've had a lot of voices lately, as you might expect, coming at me, from former students, current students. I appreciate the civility of the discussions we've had. It's been a joy to understand people are passionate but they're passionate in a civil way. We think that's the right way to do it. So we're looking forward to working through this one step at a time. We will certainly keep the press informed at appropriate milestones as this unfolds over time."
On the venom directed toward A&M by the media... "I try not to read too much of that. Certainly there's some out there and you can draw your own conclusions why that might be. Again, we've not chosen to do anything specifically, we're taking our time about this. Again, what we do, if anything, will be in the best interests of Texas A&M and the State of Texas. We're also very concerned about the members of the Big 12. We don't want the Big 12 to go away. We have no intention of doing anything that might precipitate that. The Big 12 is a strong conference. A lot of options there. Were we to leave, I think there are many schools who would love to be in the Big 12 that would add value to it. We don't see any downside to that at all. That's certainly part of our calculus right now, making sure that we think about, again, number one, what's best for Texas A&M —because any school must —but also what's best for our State and for the other members of the Big 12."
On whether A&M is prepared to handle an exit fee from the Big 12... "Money is important. I said a moment ago that this is a hundred-year decision, so you have to put that in context obviously. I've read the bylaws of the Big 12. They're confusing, to some extent. There's a lot of room for us to talk about what that might mean if we choose to explore that option with them. We have not begun that process yet. That's one of the steps we have to take —What is the cost? That's an important question to ask yourself before you take a step beyond where you are right now. We'll certainly consider that issue very carefully and think about it and make certain we can make this happen. Again, the issue is looking at the long-term, and any short-term costs must be weighed against long-term costs and benefits both. We would do that very carefully."
On whether there's a chance A&M remains in the Big 12... "Certainly. We've made no decision, again, about terminating our relationship with the Big 12. This is all about what's best for Texas A&M, along the dimensions I mentioned to you. The visibility, for us and our athletes, and financial resources. That's what it's all about, basically, and I think anybody in my shoes would have exactly the same kinds of concerns."
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What you're missing is the overall schedule. We agree that for one night, a team from a small conference, can sneak up and beat a bigger name school from a BCS conference. So essentially, based on being in a weak conference, you can take a flyer on a bigger named school and if you lose, no big deal, you go back and win your conference full of weak teams. If you win, then people like to say the victory validates the program and should vault them into the BCS picture. I just don't agree with that, just as I don't agree with independents being able to play in BCS games, if they reach a certain amount of wins.
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There has to be some major changes in the current BCS system. Adam I would like to hear your solution! No the best teams don't always win the National Championship, in either sport, if that was the case They should have just mailed the Nat'l Championship for Basketball to Ky the last two years. Why didn't they?? Well we lost to a team we shouldn't have in the tourney, *cry* that's the way it goes. Some sort of playoff system must be put in place. I agree the Big boys don't want to play the little guys. The new system will make some teams play each other..... There's where the up incoming teams like BYU or a Boise St can get a chance to play some team that wouldn't play them during a regular season. You also take away the getting hurt when you lose a early game in your season...... Make the playoffs and Win thats your Champion! That the closest your going to get to a true Champion anyway. I know it's not perfect, but it's still better IMO of what we have now.
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Man my head has never hurt so much from reading this. I know very little about the BCS, but I'm convinced it is not the right solution and I'd love to see a playoff, but I'm not sure how you do that.... you'd have to lengthen the season is the only way I can think of. Then do you go off of record alone? Don't think you can because some teams just do not play good opponents...
Is there any solution? Everything I'm seeing so far is biased one way or another... Get rid of conferences and go with Divisions like baseball and football? Won't happen because there goes the money :(
What is real funny is how some of these teams are wanted in conferences for the money they would bring in basketball but last year, when the Big 12 was about to implode, Kansas was looking at the Big East but the current members supposedly said no due to the basketball talent they had... They did not want to compete with them on recruiting.
I just hope the Big 12 doesn't go to the wayside like the Conference USA did! But I'm sure it will *cry*
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No, Boise St will not play anybody anywhere. They request a return trip to their place or a neutral site game. Fla St. nor Miami ever requested either. They went on the road an earned their reputation. Until Boise St is willing to realize that they are Boise St and no one owes them a return trip to a blue field, no less, then they can't be taken seriously. I don't understand the under dog mentality and everyone wanting them to succeed. It the same as people wanting to give hand outs to those that don't earn it. Boise St. does not EARN the respect they get and there are some wanting to give them even more.
Like I said the BCS is not the solution, but neither is a full fledged post season with 16 or even 8 team playoff. My personal preference would be to have a 4 team playoff or a plus one. What makes college football great is the passion and the fact that every week is do or die. If you go to a 16 team or 8 team play off you are rewarding teams for being mediocre and encouraging them to play mediocre competition. For instance, a 5 loss Florida team will be denied a chance at the playoffs when a 1 loss Boise St. will get the crack at it. Tell me how that is anymore fair then the current system?
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If you are saying that a 5 loss team deserves a shot over a 1 loss team you have absolutely lost your mind. I dint care what conference they are in or what their schedule is that is nuts. That's actually crazier than when a 2 loss LSU team won the championship. Not hating in LSU, but they shouldn't have been there. Isn't 4 teams or a plus 1 still a playoff situation? How does a 4 team playoff crown a true champion over an 8 team playoff? Not saying an 8 or 16 team is the way to go, but just asking a question.
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Adam why you hating on the Smurf team so much :) I hate to admit, but the only college team I really like to watch is Boise St.... love the blue field. They remind me like Gonzaga in basketball. A Cinderella team and then they started winning and no one wanted to play them.
you guys are way too passionate about football, but one thing I see... something needs to change, but with the conferences and money involved, seems like it could be stopping anything from happening?
Interested to see if there was a playoff... how do you go about the ranking? Like basketball? Not a big college football fan so I'm clueless. Never did like the BCS though. Seems too quirky :-\
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I hate to say Porter's right but Adam but you are Hating my friend ;D I remember about 5 yrs ago Fla. St came to Louisville for a Non-Conference game to give an old fashion butt whooping on the mighty Cardinals. Well it monsooned that night during the game and thing didn't go as "it should have on paper" and mighty Cardinals handed Fla. St. a big ole L to take back to the sunshine state. I'm not a Cardinal fan by any means but I love a good underdog!! We all know a true Champion wins "all" there games ROTFLMBO . Some kind of playoff system that give everybody who punches there ticket for this event a fighting chance to win the big one. The big dogs don't have anything to fear...... As long as they win!! *cheers*
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And then there is WVU remember some of these?
2008 Meineke Car Care North Carolina W 31-30
2007 Fiesta Oklahoma W 48-28
2006 Gator Georgia Tech W 38-35
2005 Sugar Georgia W 38-35
The Sugar Bowl and Fiesta Bowls were supposed to both be blowouts.
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Anybody keeping track of the volcano that is about to erupt in Miami? Things could get interesting today.
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/feed/2011-08/um-violations/story/impermissable-benefits-rampant-miami-yahoo-report-nevin-shapiro
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I think the biggest hurricane to ever hit Miami is starting to take shape. They should name it ban. U ain't bulletproof :ghost:
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I think the biggest hurricane to ever hit Miami is starting to take shape. They should name it ban. U ain't bulletproof :ghost:
Not saying some of it isn't true, but until I hear from the NCAA, I will assume Shapiro is a crook with an axe to grind.
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I think the biggest hurricane to ever hit Miami is starting to take shape. They should name it ban. U ain't bulletproof :ghost:
Not saying some of it isn't true, but until I hear from the NCAA, I will assume Shapiro is a crook with an axe to grind.
I agree were not dealing with the most upstanding person here.... BUT if there's any true to what I'm hearing........... K-D Bar the doors U fans.
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I think the biggest hurricane to ever hit Miami is starting to take shape. They should name it ban. U ain't bulletproof :ghost:
Not saying some of it isn't true, but until I hear from the NCAA, I will assume Shapiro is a crook with an axe to grind.
I agree were not dealing with the most upstanding person here.... BUT if there's any true to what I'm hearing........... K-D Bar the doors U fans.
Yep, this is far reaching and involves a ton of players. This is close in magnitude to the SMU case, if it's all true
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They need a playoff system somehow, the basketball and baseball tournaments are awesome, you can't beat March Madness!
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Looks like the bomb has dropped on Miami
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/For-Miami-booster-8217-s-bombshell-means-it-8?urn=ncaaf-wp5096#remaining-content
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http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/16/report-coaches-millions-of-dollars-part-of-miami-allegations/related/
You would have thought that they would have had better teams. Guess that they were to tired from all the parties. ROTFLMBO ROTFLMBO ROTFLMBO
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http://kznx-am.tritondigitalmedia.com/includes/news_items/6/3122/secguy81511.mp3 *lol* *lol*
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they gonna have to step it up if they comin..