Does Any One Know

[KPcalls]

A maker running there own call is absolutely ludicrous. Call numbers would be down and like K said, you would be judging the caller not the call. Part of the criteria is ease of use. You can't judge that without having your hands on the call. And yes, that is an important part of the criteria.

Patrick

Part of the criteria is ease of use. You can't judge that without having your hands on the call. And yes, that is an important part of the criteria.

If you don't have a clue what your judging are you cannot play a particular call.....well you can throw that ease of use out the window.....

[KYTURKEY]

I totally agree the maker can run his calls better than anyone, but  that still doesn't tell me how easy that call runs for me, or what I as the user can get the call to do. Don't forget, the maker doesn't use the most of his calls. His customers do.

[K]

Who better to bring out the true capability of a call.......the call builder...

i agree, & one should be able to beat the brakes off of any kall he produces  but lets keep being honest..kan ALL of them even play one ?   someone korrekt me if i'm wrong..but i think the NWTF is trying to judge the trumpets more from a general publiks standpoint..as in how easily the kommon person kould manipulate said kaller to poduce all the sounds of the Great Amerikan Wild Turkey.

[GR8CALLS]

easy playability is the 2nd thing i look for...the first being sound.

Never said it was the 1st thing. Said it was important. I agree Bill people running calls behind a curtain is in no way the answer. That's my opinion. I know some guys are wanting judges to be rotated every year. That sounds like a good idea, except for the fact that they have a hard enough time getting judges now. And that's with those of us who do it every year.

Patrick

Patrick

I rotated myself from box calls to trumpets and then the NWTF started asking me to do more. Don't get me wrong, new judges are needed, but it doesn't help for folks to ridicule the hard work that most of us do and then cry when the NWTF has to reach into the to get enough judges for each category. That part of this discussion, is nothing but, counter productive!

Bill

[strutnrut]

I don't have a dog in this fight because I haven't TO DATE entered a call but IMO having a call up there where other hunters are running and playing with it will bring you just as many customers as that ribbon does or more ? Think about it 30,000 or so people vs. the auction room...  as long as everyone hears a different sound I don't know if this problem will ever be solved... Ever listen to your recorded voice? sound different doesn't it. A box call in that building isn't going to sound the same as one in the woods.

[KPcalls]

Who's fooling who, here? You guys really think that in a calling comp., the judges don't have a good idea who's calling on stage! A winning routine is hard to forget!

Bill

 Bill, I'm not accusing anyone of wrong doing in any way when I mentioned the curtain....If I was was calling in front of a bunch of folks I would need a curtain.... I know judges that can play air operated calls is hard to find and it can be a very expensive trip for most folks especially to do on a yearly bases.

[GR8CALLS]

Who better to bring out the true capability of a call.......the call builder...

i agree, & one should be able to beat the brakes off of any kall he produces  but lets keep being honest..kan ALL of them even play one ?   someone korrekt me if i'm wrong..but i think the NWTF is trying to judge the trumpets more from a general publiks standpoint..as in how easily the kommon person kould manipulate said kaller to poduce all the sounds of the Great Amerikan Wild Turkey.

Is the call maker building calls for himself or for his customer? And, which judge do you want to impress? A human judge or, a long beard? Confusion seems to run rampant at times. Personally, I'm after the gobbler and not the human.

Bill

[KYTURKEY]

Bill, I don't care to rotate every year, but I don't think I can run a trumpet good enough to be able to judge them. Therefore,  I do not volunteer to judge them. Don't get me wrong, I think rotating would be great, but how many of the judges are capable of running all the types of calls good enough to judge them?  Very few. I will say this and then leave the subject alone. Complaining about this on a forum will not solve anything. There are plenty of people willing to my mom is ugly about it, but none that are willing to either step up and go to the NWTF with their concerns/ideas or step up and be a judge. They would rather hammer on those of us who do judge.

[GR8CALLS]

Who's fooling who, here? You guys really think that in a calling comp., the judges don't have a good idea who's calling on stage! A winning routine is hard to forget!

Bill

 Bill, I'm not accusing anyone of wrong doing in any way when I mentioned the curtain....If I was was calling in front of a bunch of folks I would need a curtain.... I know judges that can play air operated calls is hard to find and it can be a very expensive trip for most folks especially to do on a yearly bases.

KP

I understand and I wasn't trying to point a finger at you, either. I was simply saying that just like a calling competition, judges can soon figure out who it is running a call. We then, are back at the same place, with no solution.

Bill

[purr-master]

The judges were not to smart. They were as bad as the people who put the calls in the different divisions. I sent a Jordon trumpet. Marked it a Jordon and they placed in in the decorative cat.   If the judges were that smart they should have picked this up. I sent a decorative trumpet and they placed in in the Jordon.    I mean these judges have been around long enough that they should have known the difference between the two. But what do they care. They didn't put all the work and time into making the calls. And spending the money to entering them. All you got out of the people there was that they were sorry, there was nothing they could do that they were already judged. I am not saying that I would have done  better. It was the idea what they done. It was the older judges that should have picked this up. Ernie

[GR8CALLS]

Patrick

Honesty, is the best policy. I don't think rotating will work either, for the very reasons you expressed. But all this complaining isn't getting more folks to step up and judge either. Nor is it going to change anything, at the NWTF! But then, we have been through all this BS before. It got us from point A to point a.

Bill

[K]

Bill, I don't care to rotate every year, but I don't think I can run a trumpet good enough to be able to judge them. Therefore,  I do not volunteer to judge them. Don't get me wrong, I think rotating would be great, but how many of the judges are capable of running all the types of calls good enough to judge them?  Very few. I will say this and then leave the subject alone. Complaining about this on a forum will not solve anything. There are plenty of people willing to my mom is ugly about it, but none that are willing to either step up and go to the NWTF with their concerns/ideas or step up and be a judge. They would rather hammer on those of us who do judge.

wrong answer....i kontakted them today...




 

[GR8CALLS]

The judges were not to smart. They were as bad as the people who put the calls in the different divisions. I sent a Jordon trumpet. Marked it a Jordon and they placed in in the decorative cat.   If the judges were that smart they should have picked this up. I sent a decorative trumpet and they placed in in the Jordon.    I mean these judges have been around long enough that they should have known the difference between the two. But what do they care. They didn't put all the work and time into making the calls. And spending the money to entering them. All you got out of the people there was that they were sorry, there was nothing they could do that they were already judged. I am not saying that I would have done  better. It was the idea what they done. It was the older judges that should have picked this up. Ernie

Ernie

Actually, I have to take issue with that. I pointed out to Charlie Burke that very issue (calls being placed in the wrong category) . I was told to leave them where they had been placed. This was before they were judged!

Bill

[purr-master]

I appreciate that bill but it was not right.  Why would a Jordon hunting call compete with a decorative call. This was right what they done. Like I said what do they care they didn't enter them and do the work making them.

[KPcalls]

The judges were not to smart. They were as bad as the people who put the calls in the different divisions. I sent a Jordon trumpet. Marked it a Jordon and they placed in in the decorative cat.   If the judges were that smart they should have picked this up. I sent a decorative trumpet and they placed in in the Jordon.    I mean these judges have been around long enough that they should have known the difference between the two. But what do they care. They didn't put all the work and time into making the calls. And spending the money to entering them. All you got out of the people there was that they were sorry, there was nothing they could do that they were already judged. I am not saying that I would have done  better. It was the idea what they done. It was the older judges that should have picked this up. Ernie

 They lost a wing bone that I sent before the contest and lost my paper work that was sent with the check. They did find the check though....  I contacted them and was reinbursed for the calls value. I simply don't have any desire to enter any calls in the contest anymore.