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All Hunting => Stick and String Hunting => Topic started by: Porter on September 19, 2009, 06:16:01 PM
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Well today was just a great day to be out in the woods! I woke up early and headed to the farm. I setup beside a pond and waited for daybreak. Once daybreak came, I would kee kee, kee kee run, and cluck every now and then. With a gun, I'm a lot more mobile, but I generally do not like to walk around with my bow, so I was setup inside my Double Bull Blind!
Couple hours passed and hadn't heard or seen anything. Just was finishing a few soft kee kee's when I caught a glimpse of something coming under the gate. The gate was @ 200 yards to my right. I focused on the area and saw a lone bird with his head up moving my way. I put my calls down and watched. I saw him coming directly toward my setup.
I watched him come at a waddle and stop at the pond and take a drink. Next he came right toward me. I had two decoys setup and I had forgot to range find their distance first thing this morning. I would regret doing that.. *cry*
The bird became a little spooked at looking at the blind and putted a few times. I just sat still and he settled down. He stared at one of the decoys and gave me a great broadside shot. Being on my knees in the blind, I guessed the shot to be @ 25 yards so I settled pin 2 right on the wing area. Let the release go and watched the arrow fly right over him. He flew straight up and landed further away. He had no idea what had happened and I reloaded the bow and put pin 3 on him. He was dead still and I was locked on him. Let the release go and shot right under him. He flew straight up and behind some cedar trees. I watched him and tried to cluck him back down... he didn't want any of that :)
I then got out and checked the ranges... first shot he was a measly 15 yards from my blind... I'm not sure how I messed up so badly... I was pretty disgusted. The second shot he was 40 yards and my 3rd pin is set to 35. I found one arrow and lost the other. I thought shooting turkey loads were expensive ROTFLMBO
I'm going back in the morning and hope to have some more success. It's been raining like crazy, so I may try and ditch the blind and just still hunt.
I'm still irritated at myself and even brought the bow home and fired a few shots to make sure something hadn't came loose. It was (unfortunately) all the shooter :'(
Hopefully tomorrow will have more success for me, but guess that's why it's called hunting and not killing!!!
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Well I guess the only thing I could say is a bad day in the Turkey Woods is better than a good day doing most other things. Good luck tomorrow!
Mike
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Congrats on a successful set-up & a good hunt Mike ... *cool*
Sounds like the only thing missing from the equation was your rangefinder - you'll get 'em next time ... RkLu RkLu
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still better than a day in the office......................... ;D
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Glad you had a good day in the woods! Now that you got the misses out of the way, you are dialed in. Tomorrow, you might get something to eat!? Good Luck.
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Guess you didn't have your Cox Box and corn. ;D First you should have belly crawled to your blind, put out some corn, and then hammered on the old Cox Box. Of course you would have had to knock the corn out of his mouth for photos, but heck, it's been done before. ;D
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May want to try some crickets next time. ;) That's what the little box with the cork is for that comes with the cox box. ;D
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Well I guess the only thing I could say is a bad day in the Turkey Woods is better than a good day doing most other things. Good luck tomorrow!
Mike
Your Right there Mike *up* *up*
Sorry to hear of your lost arrows...It would be just as fast to put lighter fluid on a $20 bill and lite it ;)
Gregg
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15yds?? At that range, why didn't you throw that osage grunt I made ya at it. I bet it woulda knocked it out ROTFLMBO ROTFLMBO Hmmmmmmm 15yds Mike (shakes head) ROTFLMBO
Just funnin buddy.
Good luck in the morning!
Richard
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Congrats on a successful set-up & a good hunt Mike ... *cool*
Sounds like the only thing missing from the equation was your rangefinder - you'll get 'em next time ... RkLu RkLu
RkLu
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15yds?? At that range, why didn't you throw that osage grunt I made ya at it. I bet it woulda knocked it out ROTFLMBO ROTFLMBO Hmmmmmmm 15yds Mike (shakes head) ROTFLMBO
Just funnin buddy.
Good luck in the morning!
Richard
Next time I think I'll just throw my bow at them!!! I should have grunted at the bird. wonder what it's reaction would have been. Might have settled him down for me to get a better shot!
I know the first shot was rushed and my bad... the second shot... I was rock solid and just didn't guess the range right :(
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15yds?? At that range, why didn't you throw that osage grunt I made ya at it. I bet it woulda knocked it out ROTFLMBO ROTFLMBO Hmmmmmmm 15yds Mike (shakes head) ROTFLMBO
Just funnin buddy.
Good luck in the morning!
Richard
Next time I think I'll just throw my bow at them!!! I should have grunted at the bird. wonder what it's reaction would have been. Might have settled him down for me to get a better shot!
I know the first shot was rushed and my bad... the second shot... I was rock solid and just didn't guess the range right :(
That's why I always preferred recurve to compound. You literally train your eye to the flight of the arrow. I know bring the heat but it's true. Plus they didn't have range finders in Alabama.
Mike
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you choked....simple as that...
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you choked....simple as that...
I was just trying to be nice! *aah* *aah*
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you choked....simple as that...
Now I feel much better... that's more like it ROTFLMBO ROTFLMBO
I just wanted to "educate" him RkLu ROTFLMBO ROTFLMBO ... on how bad of a shot I am!!!
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The shot is the end of the hunt. It makes sense to end it fast and easy. It makes sense to use a shotgun. After seeing well hit birds go along ways and in 1 case getting away nobody I hunt with is going to use a bow.
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The shot is the end of the hunt. It makes sense to end it fast and easy. It makes sense to use a shotgun. After seeing well hit birds go along ways and in 1 case getting away nobody I hunt with is going to use a bow.
... so, would it be correct to assume that you don't bow hunt (or, do you) ??
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Maybe we need a special section for Wisturkeyhunter, titled "How to do EVERYTHING" right. ;D Of course, he'd have to get back to you on most questions, after he asked his Idol. ;D
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The shot is the end of the hunt. It makes sense to end it fast and easy. It makes sense to use a shotgun. After seeing well hit birds go along ways and in 1 case getting away nobody I hunt with is going to use a bow.
... so, would it be correct to assume that you don't bow hunt (or, do you) ??
Not for turkeys. I think a bow makes a very effective weapon for killing deer though.
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The shot is the end of the hunt. It makes sense to end it fast and easy. It makes sense to use a shotgun. After seeing well hit birds go along ways and in 1 case getting away nobody I hunt with is going to use a bow.
... so, would it be correct to assume that you don't bow hunt (or, do you) ??
Not for turkeys. I think a bow makes a very effective weapon for killing deer though.
Curious as to why a bow "might not" be considered effective for turkeys ??
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Because of the 7 turkeys I've seen shot with arrows 3 didn't drop on the spot and one was lost all good shots. Slightly less than half is way to much. Because every year guys that are excellent bow hunters lose birds to arrows yet they kill pretty much every deer they shoot at with bows. Difference between a deer and a turkey is a turkey dosen't bed down with a blood trail leading to them.
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... sounds like 6 of 7 were recovered - with 1 lost - I think that's what I got out of that ...
I will agree about the difference in the blood trail, although that's not a gimme' on deer either - many factors can be brought into this - shot timing, shot placement, broadheads, to name just a few ...
... it's possible that the same could be said about certain hunters with firearms - seems almost impossible to not drop a bird with a shotgun; but we all know it happens, & it's usually not the weapons fault ...
... to each his own ... *cheers*
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The shot is the end of the hunt. It makes sense to end it fast and easy. It makes sense to use a shotgun. After seeing well hit birds go along ways and in 1 case getting away nobody I hunt with is going to use a bow.
To each their own. I've never lost a bird to a bow. I've missed them (well ok this was the first time). My 3 hunting partners I regularly hunt with have NEVER lost a bird to a bow. You want to know something... I've seen more birds wounded with a shotgun than I have with a bow.
If you are so concerned about losing a bird, I'd suggest looking at the gobbler guillotines. Cut their heads off!!!
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The shot is the end of the hunt. It makes sense to end it fast and easy. It makes sense to use a shotgun. After seeing well hit birds go along ways and in 1 case getting away nobody I hunt with is going to use a bow.
... so, would it be correct to assume that you don't bow hunt (or, do you) ??
Not for turkeys. I think a bow makes a very effective weapon for killing deer though.
Fair enough!!! Two people can always agree to disagree. You've seen wounded animals and your issue appears to be the safe and humane harvest of the game!!
I'm sure, if I ever wounded one... that would be the end for me too!
I'm more scared wounding a deer for some reason. Never really figured that out :(
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Because of the 7 turkeys I've seen shot with arrows 3 didn't drop on the spot and one was lost all good shots. Slightly less than half is way to much. Because every year guys that are excellent bow hunters lose birds to arrows yet they kill pretty much every deer they shoot at with bows. Difference between a deer and a turkey is a turkey dosen't bed down with a blood trail leading to them.
Definitely cannot argue with the bedding down!!!
I've been fortunate though that every bird I've seen shot with an arrow has dropped on the spot.
I've thought about doing neck shots only, and may go to that philosophy!
I have a friend that will only shoot at them when they are by a tree. He pins them to the tree that way.
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Mike misses happen to the best of us, and so does wounding an animal!! Anybody who has never had it happen be it gun or bow is just plain lucky!!!
I have never lost a wounded bow shot bird but came close one time. I had 3 tom's walk past me at 15 feet while sitting in a ground blind. I shot the last bird coming through the opening and at the shot feathers flew every where. I watched the bird walk down in a raven and when they waked back up the other side I only saw 2. I knew that the bird was down some where but it took over 2 hours to find him. He had crawled under a blow down and the only thing showing was the tips of his tail. It was just pure luck that I found him!!! Would I have given up bow hunting had I not found him? Absolutly not!!!!
Maybe we need a special section for Wisturkeyhunter, titled "How to do EVERYTHING" right. ;D Of course, he'd have to get back to you on most questions, after he asked his Idol. ;D
*up* *up* *up*
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The shot is the end of the hunt. It makes sense to end it fast and easy. It makes sense to use a shotgun. After seeing well hit birds go along ways and in 1 case getting away nobody I hunt with is going to use a bow.
... so, would it be correct to assume that you don't bow hunt (or, do you) ??
Not for turkeys. I think a bow makes a very effective weapon for killing deer though.
noth'in wrong with use'in a bow for turkey hunt'in...........................the method of harvest has been around a long time.....................
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The shot is the end of the hunt. It makes sense to end it fast and easy. It makes sense to use a shotgun. After seeing well hit birds go along ways and in 1 case getting away nobody I hunt with is going to use a bow.
... so, would it be correct to assume that you don't bow hunt (or, do you) ??
Not for turkeys. I think a bow makes a very effective weapon for killing deer though.
noth'in wrong with use'in a bow for turkey hunt'in...........................the method of harvest has been around a long time.....................
i agree. if you have the right set up and make a good shot, you will kill the bird. plenty of deer are hit and not recovered. you will never have a 100% recovery rate, regardless of weapon used, for both deer and turkey. if using a bow, you need to make sure you know your effective distance and be firm on sticking with it. same goes for deer. lack of well placed shots, often result in non-recovery of animals, plain and simple.
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Ron very well said!!! When shooting a turkey with a bow I only take two certain shots! one is when the bird is facing away from me where i can aim between his wings. This shot will break it's back putting the bird down instantly!! The second shot is broad side aiming for where the hwing connect to the body. I have never seen a bird go more then 30 yards when hit here. By the way I use the same broadheads for both deer and turkey. I hope this help someone!!
BigTom
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Ron very well said!!! When shooting a turkey with a bow I only take two certain shots! one is when the bird is facing away from me where i can aim between his wings. This shot will break it's back putting the bird down instantly!! The second shot is broad side aiming for where the hwing connect to the body. I have never seen a bird go more then 30 yards when hit here. By the way I use the same broadheads for both deer and turkey. I hope this help someone!!
BigTom
and with deer, i will not take a quartering to shot. i will either take a quartering away, or broadside shot only. if neither presents itself, the deer walks.
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Ron very well said!!! When shooting a turkey with a bow I only take two certain shots! one is when the bird is facing away from me where i can aim between his wings. This shot will break it's back putting the bird down instantly!! The second shot is broad side aiming for where the hwing connect to the body. I have never seen a bird go more then 30 yards when hit here. By the way I use the same broadheads for both deer and turkey. I hope this help someone!!
BigTom
Talking about broadheads, what do most people use? I was using mechanical, but I'm going back to my fixed broadheads. That way, I can keep the arrow ready to go and not worry. I'm shooting g5 Montecs and the bird I shot last year through the wings, dropped like a rock!!
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Ron very well said!!! When shooting a turkey with a bow I only take two certain shots! one is when the bird is facing away from me where i can aim between his wings. This shot will break it's back putting the bird down instantly!! The second shot is broad side aiming for where the hwing connect to the body. I have never seen a bird go more then 30 yards when hit here. By the way I use the same broadheads for both deer and turkey. I hope this help someone!!
BigTom
and with deer, i will not take a quartering to shot. i will either take a quartering away, or broadside shot only. if neither presents itself, the deer walks.
I'm even more particular of broadside shots only. That's all I feel comfortable with. As I practice and get better, I might take a quartering away. Main thing is, only shoot what you are comfortable with!
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Ron very well said!!! When shooting a turkey with a bow I only take two certain shots! one is when the bird is facing away from me where i can aim between his wings. This shot will break it's back putting the bird down instantly!! The second shot is broad side aiming for where the hwing connect to the body. I have never seen a bird go more then 30 yards when hit here. By the way I use the same broadheads for both deer and turkey. I hope this help someone!!
BigTom
Talking about broadheads, what do most people use? I was using mechanical, but I'm going back to my fixed broadheads. That way, I can keep the arrow ready to go and not worry. I'm shooting g5 Montecs and the bird I shot last year through the wings, dropped like a rock!!
confidence in your broadhead is key. sounds like you have one that works for you mike. i know there are many that people use, i will probably be using slick tricks for deer this year. i still have some mechanicals, but i am leaning toward the st's. i like the concept of the atom, but i just am still a bit nervous about it, even though i have talked to a few folks who swear by it.
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Ron very well said!!! When shooting a turkey with a bow I only take two certain shots! one is when the bird is facing away from me where i can aim between his wings. This shot will break it's back putting the bird down instantly!! The second shot is broad side aiming for where the hwing connect to the body. I have never seen a bird go more then 30 yards when hit here. By the way I use the same broadheads for both deer and turkey. I hope this help someone!!
BigTom
and with deer, i will not take a quartering to shot. i will either take a quartering away, or broadside shot only. if neither presents itself, the deer walks.
I'm even more particular of broadside shots only. That's all I feel comfortable with. As I practice and get better, I might take a quartering away. Main thing is, only shoot what you are comfortable with!
mike, what you said about feeling comfortable is key. if in doubt, hold off.
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If you guys want to use a bow go ahead but even when the shooter does his part birds will be lost if you do it enough. I suppose that post too will make me a know it all.
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If you guys want to use a bow go ahead but even when the shooter does his part birds will be lost if you do it enough.
again, regardless of whether it is a deer or turkey, there is not always going to be a 100% recovery rate. it just doesn't happen. i have seen countless people, who are great bowhunter's, not recover deer.
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I agree with your post but your missing the point. (again)
A deer thats well hit will always be recovered if the hunter is half way proficient. They don't go far without lunges you know and blood trails are handy. I've shot over 20 deer with a bow (mostly does) and the only one I didn't recover was cause it was shot a little far back just before dark. By the time I got to it the next morning it was some hair and a a few bones. Wolves suck.
Turkeys vitals are much smaller and an arrow dosen't always stop them. A turkey won't just bed down and they won
t leave a blood trail.
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I agree with your post but your missing the point. (again)
A deer thats well hit will always be recovered if the hunter is half way proficient. They don't go far without lunges you know and blood trails are handy. I've shot over 20 deer with a bow (mostly does) and the only one I didn't recover was cause it was shot a little far back just before dark. By the time I got to it the next morning it was some hair and a a few bones. Wolves suck.
Turkeys vitals are much smaller and an arrow dosen't always stop them. A turkey won't just bed down and they won
t leave a blood trail.
I get your point, but I can miss badly on a deer too.
I've been lucky/fortunate to not wound and lose an animal! As I said before, I have seen birds wounded by shotguns more than by a bow! I hate shooting lead shot anymore. Just prefer HTL loads. Cost a little more, but the knock down is much greater!
I may switch to the Guillotines to makes sure of no chance of non recovery... cut the head off and I'm pretty sure the bird will not go far ;)
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Turkeys will "Bed Down" if thats the term you want to use. The fact that I found that tom hiding in a blowdown proves that!! Don't deer that have been pourly hit head for the nastiest cover they can find? I have also tracked deer both hit by gun and bow that left only a few drops of blood for hundreds of yards!!!
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Turkeys will "Bed Down" if thats the term you want to use. The fact that I found that tom hiding in a blowdown proves that!! Don't deer that have been pourly hit head for the nastiest cover they can find? I have also tracked deer both hit by gun and bow that left only a few drops of blood for hundreds of yards!!!
You and me too Tom. Sometimes it is difficult to find!
Mike
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Turkeys will "Bed Down" if thats the term you want to use. The fact that I found that tom hiding in a blowdown proves that!! Don't deer that have been pourly hit head for the nastiest cover they can find? I have also tracked deer both hit by gun and bow that left only a few drops of blood for hundreds of yards!!!
You and me too Tom. Sometimes it is difficult to find!
Mike
Let me say this, last year I hunted with a .460 S&W... way too much gun I know.. but I always wanted a big caliber for my encore. Well I won't post pics, but let's just say a basketball size hole was left. You'd think a bunch of blood right? Luckily I saw where that deer landed because it didn't leave any blood trail at all!
Deer was down in less than 15 yards from the shot. Never did figure out how it even moved. Heart, lungs and liver were gone! As were both front shoulders.
I've went back to my 7mm Mag this year. I did really like the .460... great shooting gun and very accurate. Not sure what I will use it for now..
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Dang Mike I always thought a 7mm mag was overkill. Man oh man. You could kill an elephant with that .460. I would love to shoot one though. I know a lot of elk hunters like that round.
Mike
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Dang Mike I always thought a 7mm mag was overkill. Man oh man. You could kill an elephant with that .460. I would love to shoot one though. I know a lot of elk hunters like that round.
Mike
2 buddies of mine hunt with 7 mags and they seem to be big fans of that gun. i usually use a 30-06 and have a 308 as a backup. i prefer the 30-06. you typically don't have to do much trailing with the 7 mag, but i did have a buddy lose a great buck 2 years (where i hunt), with that gun. hit it in the shoulder and the deer took off dragging one leg. we looked for 250 yds and found no blood. as we spread out, i jumped the deer and he was a solid buck (i'll try and post a pic we have from the trail cam of him). we found blood just prior to wear i jumped him, which was about 400 yds from where he was shot. that blood and the blood we found where he was bedded, was the only blood we found. we backed out and gave the deer several hours, but never found another drop.
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I used a .270 almost exclusively! The guys in Louisiana I used to hunt with used 25.06 with hand loaded ammo and they were deadly. That may be my favorite caliber.
Mike
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Dang Mike I always thought a 7mm mag was overkill. Man oh man. You could kill an elephant with that .460. I would love to shoot one though. I know a lot of elk hunters like that round.
Mike
I did see some nice aerobatic displays... I knew after the first deer I shot it was going to be a weird season... and it was!
I think part of my issue was the rounds I was shooting were designed for an 8" barrel and I was shooting them out of a 20" barrel. I'm assuming I cranked up the velocity on them!
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Turkeys vitals are much smaller and an arrow dosen't always stop them. A turkey won't just bed down and they won
t leave a blood trail.
wisturkeyhunter
turkeys leave blood trails................................... ::)
also....i like to shoot the bird with a low poundage............45# recurve is perfect,more times than not the arrow does'nt go all the way through and the bird runn'in and flapp'in about does the internal damage...............i use a BIG sharp broadhead for turkeys....................
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Ron very well said!!! When shooting a turkey with a bow I only take two certain shots! one is when the bird is facing away from me where i can aim between his wings. This shot will break it's back putting the bird down instantly!! The second shot is broad side aiming for where the hwing connect to the body. I have never seen a bird go more then 30 yards when hit here. By the way I use the same broadheads for both deer and turkey. I hope this help someone!!
BigTom
Talking about broadheads, what do most people use? I was using mechanical, but I'm going back to my fixed broadheads. That way, I can keep the arrow ready to go and not worry. I'm shooting g5 Montecs and the bird I shot last year through the wings, dropped like a rock!!
Mike these are the broadheads I use. I thought it better to show a picture of them rather the try to explain them to you. They are called Blood Trailer broadheads made by a company called Puckett [SP]? These heads were made to glue directly onto the shaft of the odl Beman Hunter arrow shaft. Other than Muzzy they were the only ones that I know of that were designed to do that. They haven't made them in years infact I contacted the cpmpany years ago and bought all there old stock that they had in the back on a shelf, and had to assemble them myself. I have only 8 of them left and will miss using them when I run out. I have shot Deer, Bear And Turkey with them and sence using them I have not lost an animal. I'm not sure but I think they may still make them for screw in shafts. If they do than I'll have to change the kind of shatf I shoot. I would rather do that than change broadheads!!
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I was about to ask, how did the poor old Indians survive with only a stick and a string to hunt with?They darn sure didn't have the compounds we have now... :-\
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* hi * I got out of the corner.
Indians used a bow because its what they had. Pretty sure they'd trade a bow in for a shotgun the first chance they got.
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* hi * I got out of the corner.
Indians used a bow because its what they had. Pretty sure they'd trade a bow in for a shotgun the first chance they got.
Now I can say I'd agree with that.. cuz I know I would and will October 1st *up*
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* hi * I got out of the corner.
Indians used a bow because its what they had. Pretty sure they'd trade a bow in for a shotgun the first chance they got.
Welcome back wisturkeyhunter ...
OK - let's make sure we get this straight ...
... you're OK with bow hunting for deer, because you & other hunters you know never loose deer shot with a bow ...
... you're not OK with bow hunting for turkeys, because you &/or some hunter (s) you know had problems finding a couple; no, let me be precise here; finding a few turkeys shot with a bow, to the point of not finding one at all ...
... you're all about shotgun hunting for turkeys, because you & other hunters you know never loose turkeys shot with a shotgun ...
... is that about it in the ol' nutshell ??
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This is my thoughts in a nutshell
A bow when used right dosen't always drop a turkey, and a turkey dosen't leave the sign to follow a deer does. A shotgun when used right does always drop a turkey.
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This is my thoughts in a nutshell
A bow when used right dosen't always drop a turkey, and a turkey dosen't leave the sign to follow a deer does. A shotgun when used right does always drop a turkey.
I've seen pelleted heads hit the air from a shotgun blast... that was lead shot though... now I never have seen a HTL shot bird move...
I can say this, I've never seen a guillotined hit bird move an inch RkLu Wait that couldn't be true, because it's with a bow? *peep*
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Guys,
I hate to say it but I shot a hen last fall with my bow and did not recover her. A group of 6 hens came by my stand. When I raised my bow I was nailed. The birds turned and were going away. I centered one with a Thunderhead at about 25 yds. Birds went everywhere, running and flying. My arrow was covered in blood, feathers everywhere, and there was a blood trail for about 30 yards to a fence. The bird flew over the fence into a thicket. I looked for two days for the bird, making wide semi-circles. Never found any more sign after the bird flew over the fence. A flying bird leaves no blood trail or nothing to track. I have killed a lot of deer and a couple turkeys with a bow and this is the only one that I could not find, but it happens.
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no shame in it..................it happens with even gunpowder involved.......................
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This is my thoughts in a nutshell
A bow when used right dosen't always drop a turkey, and a turkey dosen't leave the sign to follow a deer does. A shotgun when used right does always drop a turkey.
wisturkeyhunter ...
I acknowledge your "opinion", & your thoughts on the ineffectiveness of a bow on a turkey "within your experience" on the subject ...
... this is the bow section, we are discussing bow hunting for turkeys, you have expressed your opinion, it has been acknowledged - is it possible that we move on ...
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Maybe we need a special section for Wisturkeyhunter, titled "How to do EVERYTHING" right. ;D Of course, he'd have to get back to you on most questions, after he asked his Idol. ;D
*aah* *aah* *aah*
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This is my thoughts in a nutshell
A bow when used right dosen't always drop a turkey, and a turkey dosen't leave the sign to follow a deer does. A shotgun when used right does always drop a turkey.
Well, with this logic, guess everyone needs to sell their bow and learn how to use their shotgun RIGHT.... ;D