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Callmakers Corner => Callmakers Workbench => Topic started by: xcallmaker on August 20, 2010, 09:24:52 PM
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All my pots so far have been made with slate, glass, and blasted alluminum strike surface. I think there may be pros and cons to all surfaces such as slate can get a little slick on dewey mornings but I feel it also has the ability to produce some of the best turkey sounds imagineable. Glass with a carbon tip striker seems to be able to play even when wet. One of the drawbacks of glass is it takes an awful lot of conditioning and a novice caller may struggle with that. Blasted alluminum sounds great right out of the gate but eventually will need some conditioning. My question is how do you feel about ceramic as a strike surface and what are the pros and cons? Is there a perfect material for the strike surface?
Kelly Gadus
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I run friction calls a bunch. Copper holds up the best of anything I use. The ceramic has a wonderful tone, and look. But the same problem in the custom call as with the production calls the surface gets slick. But you must understand that I run a call in the same area every time I pick the call up. I mark them so that my hold is the same every time. What it boils down too is they all have different tendency's. You have to learn to care for them if your going to run them properly. Green scrub pads and light grit sand paper work wonders. A lighter will dry that slate surface in a heart beat, just be careful to lightly heat it up or you may crack the surface.
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I guess everyone has a preference. Personally mine is Copper then slate.
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So far I've really enjoyed the ceramic. I've played mine a lot and haven't had to do too much conditioning yet. I've seen the striker load up and a quick re-conditioning has brought it back to life.
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Thanks guys! good responses so far.
Kelly Gadus
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Just get a mouth call ;D
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well i would have to go with glass as my fav..then titanium..everythin i have ever used you have to condition it properly..i think anythin will slick up or load up or what ever you wana call it if you run it alot...i just prefer glass...so far... *lol*...
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I think i would go with glass as it has the ability to play wet with a carbon tipped striker and it don't hurt that you can put a beautiful image behind the glass!
Kelly Gadus
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Fortunately....or.....unfortunately, there isn't a perfect surface. If there were, the debate would be mute. And since everyone has their favorite(s), the issue will remain, a mixed one. Personally, I carry two....one slate and one glass. The glass comes in handy in wet weather and the slate is my go to for really soft calls. I am begining to warm up to the ceramic custom call. You can keep the K&H plastic pot calls....to inconsistant for me!
Bill
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Slate, for some reason I just love a good slate call , glass is nice but a good raspy aluminum makes em gobble ;D
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Fortunately....or.....unfortunately, there isn't a perfect surface. If there were, the debate would be mute. And since everyone has their favorite(s), the issue will remain, a mixed one. Personally, I carry two....one slate and one glass. The glass comes in handy in wet weather and the slate is my go to for really soft calls. I am begining to warm up to the ceramic custom call. You can keep the K&H plastic pot calls....to inconsistant for me!
Bill
i agree, ihavnt made any with the ceramic...but i usually have my favorite slate in my vest for soft callin...basically a purr pot...but i really like my trumpets as of late....and ya dont have to condition em... *lol*
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What do you condition titanium surfaces/ Thanks, Mike
well i would have to go with glass as my fav..then titanium..everythin i have ever used you have to condition it properly..i think anythin will slick up or load up or what ever you wana call it if you run it alot...i just prefer glass...so far... *lol*...
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I have several custom pot calls with different surfaces. I love them all. I got bronzed glass,slate, copper, and titanium. A ceramic surfaced caller is mext on my list. *up*
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Mike, you'll love that surface..I got my first a few weeks ago from Ed J. and love it *bannana*
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Is there a perfect material for the strike surface?
... the callmaker that turned & tuned the individual pot (& striker) has more to do with a great soundin' "top shelf" caller, than does the type of surface ... :-\
... & then again, there's always "the nut behind the bolt" factor ... ;)
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Is there a perfect material for the strike surface?
... the callmaker that turned & tuned the individual pot (& striker) has more to do with a great soundin' "top shelf" caller, than does the type of surface ... :-\
... & then again, there's always "the nut behind the bolt" factor ... ;)
Semantics..........from the Greek "σημαντικός" ie... to achieve a desired effect on an audience especially through the use of words with novel or dual meanings. If you mean it's more the "nut" behind the striker playing the pot....
Pot construction is not tuning....surface preparation is not tuning.... striker preparation is not tuning....pot construction is basic engineering.
Tune:(noun) ......archaic : quality of sound : tone, either it has it or it doesn't. When a pot builder achieves the proper construction specifications the pot will, THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME , YIELD A CALL GOOD CALL. There is still the wild card of wood variances and surface material quality.
Mike....just saying
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Is there a perfect material for the strike surface?
... the callmaker that turned & tuned the individual pot (& striker) has more to do with a great soundin' "top shelf" caller, than does the type of surface ... :-\
... & then again, there's always "the nut behind the bolt" factor ... ;)
Semantics..........from the Greek "σημαντικός" ie... to achieve a desired effect on an audience especially through the use of words with novel or dual meanings. If you mean it's more the "nut" behind the striker playing the pot....
Pot construction is not tuning....surface preparation is not tuning.... striker preparation is not tuning....pot construction is basic engineering.
Tune:(noun) ......archaic : quality of sound : tone, either it has it or it doesn't. When a pot builder achieves the proper construction specifications the pot will, THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME , YIELD A CALL GOOD CALL. There is still the wild card of wood variances and surface material quality.
Mike....just saying
I Think Mike has a great point far as tuning goes with pots, it sure is in the construction(basic engineering) of the call. I may have to rethink the thought that I had tuned over a thousand duck calls in my life, maybe I wasnt tuning, maybe I was altering the construction of the call (basic engineering)
Kelly Gadus
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Is there a perfect material for the strike surface?
... the callmaker that turned & tuned the individual pot (& striker) has more to do with a great soundin' "top shelf" caller, than does the type of surface ... :-\
... & then again, there's always "the nut behind the bolt" factor ... ;)
Semantics..........from the Greek "σημαντικός" ie... to achieve a desired effect on an audience especially through the use of words with novel or dual meanings. If you mean it's more the "nut" behind the striker playing the pot....
Pot construction is not tuning....surface preparation is not tuning.... striker preparation is not tuning....pot construction is basic engineering.
Tune:(noun) ......archaic : quality of sound : tone, either it has it or it doesn't. When a pot builder achieves the proper construction specifications the pot will, THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME , YIELD A CALL GOOD CALL. There is still the wild card of wood variances and surface material quality.
Mike....just saying
... interestin' response, but off the mark as usual ... :-\
"Gheeeez Beave", do you mean they don't tune "each & every" pot call ?? ... :o -------------- ROTFLMBO ROTFLMBO
... but I must say that I do find the use of the word "construction" to be somewhat relevant & interestin' to say the least ...
Over the years I been fortunate to aquire some great pot calls for the vest, from some great pot call makers ... 8) 8) 8) 8)
... but I must admit, I do have some "hockey pucks / coasters" that sound like they were originally designed & tuned, & ultimately made by a tin-eared "construction" worker at best ... :-[ :-X
... oh well, "live & learn" - you can always shoot skeet ... :-\
"Have Copper Pots from 6 different makers.....PM me and I will give you the 2 that are head and shoulders about the others if you want to know. I will not post openly again."
... I wonder if this just might have been along the "train of thought" that I "might" have been referrin' to ... ::) ROTFLMBO
... but as always, "Caveat Emptor" (that's Greek, ain't it ... ;D) ------ one should always "consider the source", & the all important "point of reference" in these "turkey tonal" matters ... ;)
"to each his own" ... 8)
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Is there a perfect material for the strike surface?
... the callmaker that turned & tuned the individual pot (& striker) has more to do with a great soundin' "top shelf" caller, than does the type of surface ... :-\
... & then again, there's always "the nut behind the bolt" factor ... ;)
Semantics..........from the Greek "σημαντικός" ie... to achieve a desired effect on an audience especially through the use of words with novel or dual meanings. If you mean it's more the "nut" behind the striker playing the pot....
Pot construction is not tuning....surface preparation is not tuning.... striker preparation is not tuning....pot construction is basic engineering.
Tune:(noun) ......archaic : quality of sound : tone, either it has it or it doesn't. When a pot builder achieves the proper construction specifications the pot will, THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME , YIELD A CALL GOOD CALL. There is still the wild card of wood variances and surface material quality.
Mike....just saying
... interestin' response, but off the mark as usual ... :-\
"Gheeeez Beave", do you mean they don't tune "each & every" pot call ?? ... :o -------------- ROTFLMBO ROTFLMBO
... but I must say that I do find the use of the word "construction" to be somewhat relevant & interestin' to say the least ...
Over the years I been fortunate to aquire some great pot calls for the vest, from some great pot call makers ... 8) 8) 8) 8)
... but I must admit, I do have some "hockey pucks / coasters" that sound like they were originally designed & tuned, & ultimately made by a tin-eared "construction" worker at best ... :-[ :-X
... oh well, "live & learn" - you can always shoot skeet ... :-\
"Have Copper Pots from 6 different makers.....PM me and I will give you the 2 that are head and shoulders about the others if you want to know. I will not post openly again."
... I wonder if this just might have been along the "train of thought" that I "might" have been referrin' to ... ::) ROTFLMBO
... but as always, "Caveat Emptor" (that's Greek, ain't it ... ;D) ------ one should always "consider the source", & the all important "point of reference" in these "turkey tonal" matters ... ;)
"to each his own" ... 8)
Jim not sure what your problem is but you need to deal with it. I know some good Christian Counselors in Mississippi and Louisiana if you need them.
Mike
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You know guys, everyone has their opinions and I've built a few pot calls. Don't claim to be the best at it either. BUT, in my humble opinion, if the pot dimensions, hole patterns, glue used, etc. aren't consistent from pot to pot, not much tuning can be done after they are glued up. Except for trying different strikers, or tearing the pot apart and putting it back on the lathe. So, if the dimensions were right for the wood being used, as kept in notes, the pot is either good or not so good. Strikers will definitely change the sound quite a bit, but that's more matching than tuning. JMO.
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First of all I have a big problem with folks dragging quotes from other forums over here to Osage Roost. That is not what this forum is about and I believe others will agree.
I like glass as my choice of surfaces.
Ok on the topic of tuning pot calls. Al Shoemaker hit the nail on the head....Once a pot call is assembled, there is no tuning that can be done. In some rare cases, if someone trys to "salvage" a call, which I have done, and if this is done right, you can have a good sounding call without sacraficing the craftsmanship. (Reference my NRA pot call post)...But this was not a tuning process and like Al said strikers will sound different on the same call....It is a matching issue.......My opinion, a striker will make or break a call's sound.........It's all in the callmaker's documented dimensions and wood choices.............Nut shell...there is no tuning of pot calls.
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... well I guess when someone takes someone's words & throws their own twist on it, this can be where you end up ... :-\
In a previous post I mentioned the word "tuned" in reference to a pot call ...
For M Mims or S Maddox to think; or suggest; that I was referrin' to the tunin' of a "glued & completed" pot call; as in the tunin' of a box call; is something that I can't help but find humorous ... ;)
I will however have to say that I do believe that a top shelf pot call is indeed a "tuned" caller, one that is tuned by the callmaker; & to his ear; in the design process of the call ...
I have talked with many fine pot callmakers that when they started to design their pots, they built the 1st one, & then they built a 2nd, a 3rd, ect... to ultimately come up with the sound & tonal qualities they were trying to achieve from the call ...
... the changing & altering of the original pot to produce a different sound, tone, break, ect... is in my opinion the "tuning" of the finished call design ...
I believe that all turkey calls are indeed tuned; to one degree or another; with obviously just some better than others ... 8)
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... well I guess when someone takes someone's words & throws their own twist on it, this can be where you end up ... :-\
In a previous post I mentioned the word "tuned" in reference to a pot call ...
For M Mims or S Maddox to think; or suggest; that I was referrin' to the tunin' of a "glued & completed" pot call; as in the tunin' of a box call; is something that I can't help but find humorous ... ;)
I will however have to say that I do believe that a top shelf pot call is indeed a "tuned" caller, one that is tuned by the callmaker; & to his ear; in the design process of the call ...
I have talked with many fine pot callmakers that when they started to design their pots, they built the 1st one, & then they built a 2nd, a 3rd, ect... to ultimately come up with the sound & tonal qualities they were trying to achieve from the call ...
... the changing & altering of the original pot to produce a different sound, tone, break, ect... is in my opinion the "tuning" of the finished call design ...
I believe that all turkey calls are indeed tuned; to one degree or another; with obviously just some better than others ... 8)
JR...HELLO....Read my first POST.....little late to be doing a Moon Walk!! You take the cake! Mr. Teflon! Man get a life!
Mike
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... well I guess when someone takes someone's words & throws their own twist on it, this can be where you end up ... :-\
In a previous post I mentioned the word "tuned" in reference to a pot call ...
For M Mims or S Maddox to think; or suggest; that I was referrin' to the tunin' of a "glued & completed" pot call; as in the tunin' of a box call; is something that I can't help but find humorous ... ;)
I will however have to say that I do believe that a top shelf pot call is indeed a "tuned" caller, one that is tuned by the callmaker; & to his ear; in the design process of the call ...
I have talked with many fine pot callmakers that when they started to design their pots, they built the 1st one, & then they built a 2nd, a 3rd, ect... to ultimately come up with the sound & tonal qualities they were trying to achieve from the call ...
... the changing & altering of the original pot to produce a different sound, tone, break, ect... is in my opinion the "tuning" of the finished call design ...
I believe that all turkey calls are indeed tuned; to one degree or another; with obviously just some better than others ... 8)
JR...HELLO....Read my first POST.....little late to be doing a Moon Walk!! You take the cake! Mr. Teflon! Man get a life!
Mike
OK Mikey - I'll play - so might you read my 2nd post & I know you know what sarcasm is ... ;)
... although I thought it was pretty obvious - guess not ... :-\
... seen this petty little game before, haven't we ... 8)
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... well I guess when someone takes someone's words & throws their own twist on it, this can be where you end up ... :-\
In a previous post I mentioned the word "tuned" in reference to a pot call ...
For M Mims or S Maddox to think; or suggest; that I was referrin' to the tunin' of a "glued & completed" pot call; as in the tunin' of a box call; is something that I can't help but find humorous ... ;)
I will however have to say that I do believe that a top shelf pot call is indeed a "tuned" caller, one that is tuned by the callmaker; & to his ear; in the design process of the call ...
I have talked with many fine pot callmakers that when they started to design their pots, they built the 1st one, & then they built a 2nd, a 3rd, ect... to ultimately come up with the sound & tonal qualities they were trying to achieve from the call ...
... the changing & altering of the original pot to produce a different sound, tone, break, ect... is in my opinion the "tuning" of the finished call design ...
I believe that all turkey calls are indeed tuned; to one degree or another; with obviously just some better than others ... 8)
JR...HELLO....Read my first POST.....little late to be doing a Moon Walk!! You take the cake! Mr. Teflon! Man get a life!
Mike
OK Mikey - I'll play - so might you read my 2nd post & I know you know what sarcasm is ... ;)
... although I thought it was pretty obvious - guess not ... :-\
... seen this petty little game before, haven't we ... 8)
Drip........Drip.......Drip........Drip......... RkLu RkLu
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... well I guess when someone takes someone's words & throws their own twist on it, this can be where you end up ... :-\
In a previous post I mentioned the word "tuned" in reference to a pot call ...
For M Mims or S Maddox to think; or suggest; that I was referrin' to the tunin' of a "glued & completed" pot call; as in the tunin' of a box call; is something that I can't help but find humorous ... ;)
I will however have to say that I do believe that a top shelf pot call is indeed a "tuned" caller, one that is tuned by the callmaker; & to his ear; in the design process of the call ...
I have talked with many fine pot callmakers that when they started to design their pots, they built the 1st one, & then they built a 2nd, a 3rd, ect... to ultimately come up with the sound & tonal qualities they were trying to achieve from the call ...
... the changing & altering of the original pot to produce a different sound, tone, break, ect... is in my opinion the "tuning" of the finished call design ...
I believe that all turkey calls are indeed tuned; to one degree or another; with obviously just some better than others ... 8)
JR...HELLO....Read my first POST.....little late to be doing a Moon Walk!! You take the cake! Mr. Teflon! Man get a life!
Mike
OK Mikey - I'll play - so might you read my 2nd post & I know you know what sarcasm is ... ;)
... although I thought it was pretty obvious - guess not ... :-\
... seen this petty little game before, haven't we ... 8)
Drip........Drip.......Drip........Drip......... RkLu RkLu
... ya' might want to have that checked out Mikey ... ;)
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... well I guess when someone takes someone's words & throws their own twist on it, this can be where you end up ... :-\
In a previous post I mentioned the word "tuned" in reference to a pot call ...
For M Mims or S Maddox to think; or suggest; that I was referrin' to the tunin' of a "glued & completed" pot call; as in the tunin' of a box call; is something that I can't help but find humorous ... ;)
I will however have to say that I do believe that a top shelf pot call is indeed a "tuned" caller, one that is tuned by the callmaker; & to his ear; in the design process of the call ...
I have talked with many fine pot callmakers that when they started to design their pots, they built the 1st one, & then they built a 2nd, a 3rd, ect... to ultimately come up with the sound & tonal qualities they were trying to achieve from the call ...
... the changing & altering of the original pot to produce a different sound, tone, break, ect... is in my opinion the "tuning" of the finished call design ...
I believe that all turkey calls are indeed tuned; to one degree or another; with obviously just some better than others ... 8)
JR...HELLO....Read my first POST.....little late to be doing a Moon Walk!! You take the cake! Mr. Teflon! Man get a life!
Mike
OK Mikey - I'll play - so might you read my 2nd post & I know you know what sarcasm is ... ;)
... although I thought it was pretty obvious - guess not ... :-\
... seen this petty little game before, haven't we ... 8)
Drip........Drip.......Drip........Drip......... RkLu RkLu
... ya' might want to have that checked out Mikey ... ;)
Keep lifting that Skirt JR and showing you backside! :ghost: :ghost: :ghost: :ghost:
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... well I guess when someone takes someone's words & throws their own twist on it, this can be where you end up ... :-\
In a previous post I mentioned the word "tuned" in reference to a pot call ...
For M Mims or S Maddox to think; or suggest; that I was referrin' to the tunin' of a "glued & completed" pot call; as in the tunin' of a box call; is something that I can't help but find humorous ... ;)
I will however have to say that I do believe that a top shelf pot call is indeed a "tuned" caller, one that is tuned by the callmaker; & to his ear; in the design process of the call ...
I have talked with many fine pot callmakers that when they started to design their pots, they built the 1st one, & then they built a 2nd, a 3rd, ect... to ultimately come up with the sound & tonal qualities they were trying to achieve from the call ...
... the changing & altering of the original pot to produce a different sound, tone, break, ect... is in my opinion the "tuning" of the finished call design ...
I believe that all turkey calls are indeed tuned; to one degree or another; with obviously just some better than others ... 8)
JR...HELLO....Read my first POST.....little late to be doing a Moon Walk!! You take the cake! Mr. Teflon! Man get a life!
Mike
OK Mikey - I'll play - so might you read my 2nd post & I know you know what sarcasm is ... ;)
... although I thought it was pretty obvious - guess not ... :-\
... seen this petty little game before, haven't we ... 8)
Drip........Drip.......Drip........Drip......... RkLu RkLu
... ya' might want to have that checked out Mikey ... ;)
Keep lifting that Skirt JR and showing you backside! :ghost: :ghost: :ghost: :ghost:
... pretty darn crude there Mikey, even for you - oh well, I'm sure there's better things for both of us to do ... 8)
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... well I guess when someone takes someone's words & throws their own twist on it, this can be where you end up ... :-\
In a previous post I mentioned the word "tuned" in reference to a pot call ...
For M Mims or S Maddox to think; or suggest; that I was referrin' to the tunin' of a "glued & completed" pot call; as in the tunin' of a box call; is something that I can't help but find humorous ... ;)
I will however have to say that I do believe that a top shelf pot call is indeed a "tuned" caller, one that is tuned by the callmaker; & to his ear; in the design process of the call ...
I have talked with many fine pot callmakers that when they started to design their pots, they built the 1st one, & then they built a 2nd, a 3rd, ect... to ultimately come up with the sound & tonal qualities they were trying to achieve from the call ...
... the changing & altering of the original pot to produce a different sound, tone, break, ect... is in my opinion the "tuning" of the finished call design ...
I believe that all turkey calls are indeed tuned; to one degree or another; with obviously just some better than others ... 8)
JR...HELLO....Read my first POST.....little late to be doing a Moon Walk!! You take the cake! Mr. Teflon! Man get a life!
Mike
OK Mikey - I'll play - so might you read my 2nd post & I know you know what sarcasm is ... ;)
... although I thought it was pretty obvious - guess not ... :-\
... seen this petty little game before, haven't we ... 8)
Drip........Drip.......Drip........Drip......... RkLu RkLu
... ya' might want to have that checked out Mikey ... ;)
Keep lifting that Skirt JR and showing you backside! :ghost: :ghost: :ghost: :ghost:
... pretty darn crude there Mikey, even for you - oh well, I'm sure there's better things for both of us to do ... 8)
This whole post is pretty stupid....even for you JR...ROTFLMBO ROTFLMBO ROTFLMBO ROTFLMBO
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The two of you, JR and Mike, did a great job of hijakcking Kelly's thread and making a sham of it. Way to go!!! >!!
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For what it's worth, I do tune my strikers. I have a basic design. Once I get close, I start running them on all of my pots and sanding, shortening, thinning it until I get the sound I like. I shoot for a balance among all surfaces, but I have a sound that I am looking for. Once achieved, I stop and finish the striker.
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For what it's worth, I do tune my strikers. I have a basic design. Once I get close, I start running them on all of my pots and sanding, shortening, thinning it until I get the sound I like. I shoot for a balance among all surfaces, but I have a sound that I am looking for. Once achieved, I stop and finish the striker.
10-4 .....me too
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For what it's worth, I do tune my strikers. I have a basic design. Once I get close, I start running them on all of my pots and sanding, shortening, thinning it until I get the sound I like. I shoot for a balance among all surfaces, but I have a sound that I am looking for. Once achieved, I stop and finish the striker.
WA, I do basically the same. I stop when I find two strikers for a particular call. I have a Derby City striker that sounds good on anything. It is a old growth Maple and I use it to check Adam's pots.
Mike