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Turkey Call Paradise => From the Callmaker's Bench => Topic started by: Bulldogmikey on January 19, 2010, 11:17:49 AM
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One thing that has been surprising over the last few months is the different sounds each caller likes in his callers. seems deep south prefer high pitch calls. Younger hunters high pitched calls. Northeast and Northwest more mature and deeper sounds. Older hunters seem to prefer the more mellow sound of an older hen. Then there is Porter in a league of his own. Would love to hear your insight.
Mike
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I agree with Al. It is all about rhythm and cadence. As long as it has some rasp on the back side.
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I agree with Al. It is all about rythm and cadence. As long as it has some rasp on the back side.
I agree. But I do like mine to have a little higher pitch. I was never a fan of that deep yawk.
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I agree with Al. It is all about rythm and cadence. As long as it has some rasp on the back side.
I agree. But I do like mine to have a little higher pitch. I was never a fan of that deep yawk.
Lou, based on my sales, I get a bunch more requests for calls that are higher pitched. No matter where they are from. I've never been a fan personally of the deeper yawk either. People have different tastes in calls, but I judge a call based on the response it gets in the woods.
Al
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I agree with Al. It is all about rythm and cadence. As long as it has some rasp on the back side.
I agree. But I do like mine to have a little higher pitch. I was never a fan of that deep yawk.
I agree..I like High Pitch too...If My hair stands up Cuttin....Then Ole Tom should like it...lol
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Mike and Lou,
My calls are pretty high-pitched also. Ask Al and Jeff. I may not be as bad as Porter but I like for them to hear me.
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Oh boy.. .now I have my own division of sounding calls *peep*
You want to know a secret? Daryl pretty much likes the exact sound I do. Isn't that scary ?
I have to have a High start that rolls over to some nasty rasp. I do own other sounding calls and use them too. As everyone stated, it has to be turkey *ride*
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Al, I know as long as it sounds like turkey. I am referring to what you said in your second post. I have noticed that down here in GA. and AL. younger hen higher pitched calls is what they want. Mainly because hens don't get very old here due to predator pressure. Talk to old timers and they don't like that "yawk" as you referred to. It seems that they are all "old school" in sound. Old Mature hen.
Mike
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I am almost settled into a close to normal tuning ear after doing those to loud mouth calls for Porter. I seem to be getting a little higher pitched and raspier now a d ays after you guys effected me.
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Were I Hunt the birds love louder and raspy..... RkLu Until there pressured........ Then you better be able to sweet talk ...... I guess your right Mike, *up* I see more young hens than old ones..... The next call Porter gets from me will have and amp on it with one switch "MORE" ROTFLMBO
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Funny Brent.. really funny... I think these calls are starting to impair my hearing.. check your pm's and you'll see why ROTFLMBO
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i tend to like mine in a med to high pitch but i try to make what the customer wants...just sent out some glass calls that are loud and proud but with the right striker they will deff talk sweet....i hunt public land and tend to use calls that are a lil out of the norm for down here....just i lil difference in the sounds.....but last season i think i could have tied a hen to a string and still wouldnt have had anyluck *wha*
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Well, guys, just send me and Porter your best call and we'll record them. Then we can put up a poll so people can vote on the sound they like and where they are from attached to the poll. *bannana*
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Well, guys, just send me and Porter your best call and we'll record them. Then we can put up a poll so people can vote on the sound they like and where they are from attached to the poll. *bannana*
Dave, I'll send you some pics, but not sure I want to send you a call!! ROTFLMBO ROTFLMBO ROTFLMBO Just kiddin' buddy! Porter would have to get someone who knows how to run a call to record his! *aah* *aah*
Al
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Al, I am shocked at your shots at Porter! He can run a call as good as my 3 year ld grandson can play the Guitar! *aah* *aah*
Mike
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Sounds like you've never heard him run one!! *aah* That's an insult to your grandson!! ROTFLMBO You should have heard Porter run calls to me over the phone when I first got to know him. Sounded like a hen on speed!!!!! *aah* *aah* *aah* *aah* *aah* *ride*
Al
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A hen on speed! Now that is a good one. Poor Porter, never around to defend himself when it gets good! *fall* *fall*
Mike
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I like high pitch with a lot of break. Not necessarily raspy but a raspy finish isn't bad either.
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I'm in favor of the ole' mature hen sound for the most part on my paddle calls.....
Part of that is being able to fall hunt, so gobblers and jake calls are very useful in a call....
The high pitched sound does have it's place in turkey calling or the turkeys wouldn't be using it in their language.
Our season has about 3-4 changes in the hen's calling, you'll hear, so you gotta be able to change w/ the sounds, your hearing & adapt your hunting style to the phase of breeding the birds are in.........
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I like more mellow deeper sounding call ,, but with the right striker get it little high pitched.
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I like whatever the gobbler likes.... ;D ;D
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I'm in favor of the ole' mature hen sound for the most part on my paddle calls.....
Part of that is being able to fall hunt, so gobblers and jake calls are very useful in a call....
The high pitched sound does have it's place in turkey calling or the turkeys wouldn't be using it in their language.
Our season has about 3-4 changes in the hen's calling, you'll hear, so you gotta be able to change w/ the sounds, your hearing & adapt your hunting style to the phase of breeding the birds are in.........
X2 YES SIR... *up* *up* *up*
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One thing that has been surprising over the last few months is the different sounds each caller likes in his callers. seems deep south prefer high pitch calls. Younger hunters high pitched calls. Northeast and Northwest more mature and deeper sounds. Older hunters seem to prefer the more mellow sound of an older hen. Then there is Porter in a league of his own. Would love to hear your insight.
Mike
I've always thought just the opposite to be true Mike. I've listened to all of the contestants at the GN's. Pollard, Parrish, Van Cise all like high pitched yelps. Drake and Briggs always had a deeper yelp. Some of those guys from up north yelp with such an accent, I can hardly understand them. *lol*
Seems like they are all trying to get on board with the higher pitch here lately though especially since that is what has been winning contest.
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Years ago I did my own informal research into what turkeys liked...and I found that higher pitched calls tended to elicit more answers..but not necessarily more close encounters. In the last few years I have seen an increase in the attempts of hunters to try and mimic contest calling with high pitched and clear notes..I have not noted an increase in turkeys killed by those following this method. I personally think (IMHO) that the turkeys are becoming atuned to too much mouth calling and are evolving to answer, but then avoid that type caller. This is just my opinion and is based on limited observation
All this being said, I tend to lean toward the more mellow sound..and not too much of it most of the time.
Charlie
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As long as its turkey...I like it. All turkeys are different in any given area. However, my ears prefer old raspy or young high raspy. But I hate a clear, clean high pitch!!
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I like them in the middle to low range but the "MUST" be clear!!
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I tend to take at least 3-5 calls with me, something for everything. I don't think I like a particular sound I just try to figure out what they want to hear that day.
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I like whatever the gobbler likes.... ;D ;D
That says it all for me. I carry at least 3 different calls with me and will use which ever one or ones it takes.
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I'm with Shad and Woodwzrd. Depending on the turkey and how much it's been fooled with and what type of calls he's heard and been spooked by. That being said, I get more requests for rough deep old raspy hen toned calls. I think it is all in the confidence and preference of the caller as much as the bird. Also I think if a gobbler has been covering a hen and he recognizes or relates to a certain sound then he will be less cautious and more willing to pop his head around a tree.
Just 2 more cents
David
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I tend to take at least 3-5 calls with me, something for everything. I don't think I like a particular sound I just try to figure out what they want to hear that day.
Now here's the post I was waiting for. Give them what they want! I carry high raspy, Med raspy, and low raspy, all with the yawk sound. I carry boxes where you can be high, go off to low and stop it with a little rasp. Most of the really old birds, usually have old raspy hens with them. I hunted with an old original Tom Turpin for 18 years after my mentor had a stoke and let me use it. The paddle had a crack running out from the top hat. Mr. Jake had it set up on the back side so it was extremely raspy and low pitched. I never changed it. I wish I had a picture of all the old gobblers that one call reduced to possession. Mr. Jack also carried with him a fool proof lynch that was medium high pitched. When he was teaching me how to hunt turkeys, some of the time they wanted it and would only answer it. I have seen birds that you could not yelp or cluck at, they would shut up. Worked great to jake gobbling. The fun part of hunting these birds, is trying to figure them out.
Good Thread.
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A couple a weeks ago I called Al up to get him to build me a call. He and I had this very conversation. I tend to agree with Charlie. I also think a higher pitch sound will elicit more gobbles but I like the mature hen sound to finish a stubburn one. Here's where it gets touchy. How deep is a mature hen? I've seen boxes built that is suppose to be mature hens but actually sound more jake than hen. I've got a $250 box sitting in my cabinet from a callmaker that sounds like a gobbler more than a hen. I suspect he just got the sides a little too thin. That's hard to tell by looking at it but don't forget the checkering on the sides. When I think mature,I think medium. I like the "mature" one on the right side. Al said most request the young hen on the right. Sorry Al, didn't mean to throw a monkey wrench in things for ya.
Mark
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What I've found up here anyway is the a bird will fire up on a young hen high pitched sounding call the easiest, but they tend to hang up a lot more with that sound. With smooth sounding calls they tend to come in silent a lot more. By the time I get out to hunt it's mid season and I hunt 80% public land, so the birds are high pressured henned up tight birds. I've had my best luck with a med-high pitch with a sharp break and some nasty rasp that will make the call vibrate in your hand. I don't do to much gobbler calling, I work the hens and you need a call that will handle an old boss hen, that med-high with good rasp does very well on them. They won't stand for another boss hen in their area. Early in the season the young hen is good, but from mid season on a old hen is better.
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Mark, You wrote this. "Here's where it gets touchy. How deep is a mature hen? I've seen boxes built that is suppose to be mature hens but actually sound more jake than hen." _ Mr. Wineman and I made our first Stribling Reproduction calls 25 years ago. That was the first and Only call he made. He wrote about it in East of the Slash. I think he killed 7 birds with that one call the first year. 5 in Miss. counting fall and 2 in Alabama Spring. I watched him make it. Got the sides too thin, and sounds like a jake to me. Oh how the old birds love that call. It has a great cluck and roost talk. He had a fellow call him up out of the blue and offer him $1000 for it 20 years ago. He left the call in the woods on the last bird he killed one spring making a rounder. He looked for that call until the next fall. He had to put wood restorer to it, But he still kills birds with that call.
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Jake, I'll definitely have to give that call more of a chance this year. Used sparingly if I'm understanding you correctly.
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Well I think I'm tuning down a bit from what I used to like. I think my hearing has suffered from my loud and proud... wait no that was Daryl's 3" titanium that did that to me *peep*
I still prefer a high start with killer rasp on a cost style box, but when you get to a Turpin/Stribling caller, I like it a bit deeper and a hard yawk on the end.
I've not figured out why I like two different sounds, but I do. I guess that's just me.. no way to understand my typing or my thinking *lol*
I probably carry too many callers with me, but I sure have been glad when I've found the one caller that the bird would respond to and come too. Makes me realize it was worth toting it all!
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It has been my experience that a turkey might respond differently to a call on any given day . What that bird likes today may scare him off the roost tomorrow. The next time he hears it he may do a death-run to get to you. Loud and aggressive calling at any pitch will scare more turkeys than it will attract. Soft calling will bring more call-shy birds to the gun for sure. One thing is for sure, there are no rule-books when it comes to turkey hunting . There are no set pitches , high or low , that will always work on a turkey. Young hen today , gobbler yelps tomorrow, old hen the next time out ..... As David said , confidence in your calling helps prevent mistakes in what you are offering up for that particular bird. Just when you think you have one figured out , he'll do something to prove you wrong . Patience , not over-calling and woodsmanship will kill more turkeys than any one particular pitch to any call. Out of the 127 mature Toms I have harvested , more than half were killed with woodsmanship and very soft calling . If you think you have a rule-book for turkeys , throw it away ! LOL !!! That's just my humble opinion . Good luck this Spring !