I had a wonderful copper call from Pappy. Loved the sound of that call. Alas, I jumped a ditch this past spring and the glue turned loose on the slate sound board. Jack had some medical problems at the time and it did take a few weeks. But he replaced the call and sent a bonus with it. Jack is wonderful person and a darn good call maker. If you don't like it he will do his best to make ya happy. I suggest a copper over slate in a Osage pot. Great call maker!