Mike, There is a time and place for everything. Where we hunt, in the huge expanse between the levee's, and you have not heard a peep by about 8:00 oclock, It's time to pull out the loudest box you have in the bag. It's kinda like the movie A River Runs Through It. If you shadow cast long enough, and hard enough, a trout will rise (or something to that effect) Well, we believe, if hit one hard enough and loud enough, one will gobble. If it's too lound for you, let me know, and I'll trade you for it. I have a time and place for it.