You have to be kidding me!!!!

[bowrebel]

World Health Organization?? Are they part of the UN??

[wiltznucs]

World Health Organization?? Are they part of the UN??

They are, and despite that the WHO is likely the single most reliable source for info from those less fortunate countries.  For the U.S. data is gathered by Public Health Service or the CDC.

[bowrebel]

Thought so. The same UN that is using false data to find a way around our Constitution so that they can strip our guns away and I bet they use WHO figures to make their graphs on gun control.

[GR8CALLS]

 This whole health care debate makes me ill! I see more ideology and power grabbing going on than actual concern for for what the public wants or needs!

Bill

[wiltznucs]

Thought so. The same UN that is using false data to find a way around our Constitution so that they can strip our guns away and I bet they use WHO figures to make their graphs on gun control.

Lets stay focused, this isnt a gun debate! 

[wiltznucs]

This whole health care debate makes me ill! I see more ideology and power grabbing going on than actual concern for for what the public wants or needs!

Bill

Now Bill, those representatives who passed the legislation did have a majority and were voted in by American citizens.

Just razzing ya...

To be completely honest, if you would have asked me two weeks ago if legislation would have been passed I would have told you no.  It is amazing that this came together so quickly..

[bowrebel]

Just making a point. If the UN will use false facts to further their gun control measures, why wouldn't they use false facts at the WHO. By using WHO numbers they can convince countries that gun control is needed. It goes hand in hand. Just like in the US, medical papers and the CDC scream for gun control. Not only does this measure that was passed likely to get me kicked off of my companies health care, it will be used to further gun control. Now, why would I get kicked off of my companies plan, simple, they would have to pay $2000.00 for each individual on Obamacare and the first 38 I believe are exempt. 2 years ago they paid out close to 1 million dollars to save the lives of 3 premature babies. Our company is self-insured, just think of the savings.

[wiltznucs]

Just making a point. If the UN will use false facts to further their gun control measures, why wouldn't they use false facts at the WHO. By using WHO numbers they can convince countries that gun control is needed. It goes hand in hand. Just like in the US, medical papers and the CDC scream for gun control. Not only does this measure that was passed likely to get me kicked off of my companies health care, it will be used to further gun control. Now, why would I get kicked off of my companies plan, simple, they would have to pay $2000.00 for each individual on Obamacare and the first 38 I believe are exempt. 2 years ago they paid out close to 1 million dollars to save the lives of 3 premature babies. Our company is self-insured, just think of the savings.

I'm an idealist, I honestly believe money shouldnt be a consideration when it comes to health care.  Unfortunately it is... Believe what you want, but healthcare reform is necessary.  Am I convinced this Bill will do the job?  Probably not, but I'm encouraged that we've made a start.  

It may be foolish of me, but I'm willing to sacrifice a few of my hard earned dollars to see America's citizens live longer and healthier lives.  So long as when my time of need comes I get the care that I need.  

Major overhauls are needed for elderly care and particularly in mental health.    

Even though they indirectly pay my check, I find the hit to the Insurance industry very satisfying.  I view this as the tip of the iceberg of healthcare reform, following this I hope that the pharmaceutical industry is put in the crosshairs next.  

[GR8CALLS]

Chad

You have a back ground into this topic. Do you honestly see prices coming down for health care? I don't....I have over 150 employess and my company is self insured. Our out of pocket expenses per month are well over $100,000.00. Based on this "new deal", it will be cheaper for companies like mine, to pay the penalty and drop their insurance.......my difficulty is that my people deserve better!

Bill

[Porter]

I'm like many not liking this ideal, but it's law now and we'll see how it goes.  Luckily we all can do something and make our voices heard this November!

I also believe health insurance should be affordable by all and I think it should be good health insurance too!  

bowrebel we are self insured too.  Health costs are eating us for breakfast now...  our trust fund is almost gone at our institution.  It's very very scary.

[bowrebel]

Bill, I agree. I could lose my coverage and be under Obamacare. I do not see how I can live a long and productive life with that type of care. Companies will look at the bottom line first. I agree with some of the measures like pre-existing conditions, but things like that could be done seperately. Elderly care, that is already run by the Government, they call it Medicare and look how bad off it is.

[bowrebel]

Porter
A lot of companies are self insured. The insurance companies just manage the programs for them. I know at our company, if the insurance company says they will not pay a bill, we can call corporate and talk to them about it. If they say OK, the bill gets paid. Do you really think Obamacare will do that???

[GR8CALLS]

 Our local hospital and doctors have stopped accepting new Medicare patents! This isn't good for those of us reaching Medicare age!. This new plan will not do a thing to help future Medicare participants receive quality care!

Bill

[wiltznucs]

Chad

You have a back ground into this topic. Do you honestly see prices coming down for health care? I don't....I have over 150 employess and my company is self insured. Our out of pocket expenses per month are well over $100,000.00. Based on this "new deal", it will be cheaper for companies like mine, to pay the penalty and drop their insurance.......my difficulty is that my people deserve better!

Bill

Bill I cant tell you what the best decision for your company is.  I can address the first question though.  Do I see prices coming down?  The answer is not really...

Like most companies a hospitals two biggest expenses are labor and supplies.  Neither of those two items are getting cheaper.  In fact supplies are going up exponentially in many cases.  Hence my outrage with the pharmaceutical industry..

I always tell people that what we charge and what we get paid are two entirely different things.  I may bill $5,000 for a procedure, but if your Insurer has contracted us we may only get $1,500 for instance.  If our actual cost is $1,200 we actually make $300 on the deal.  Factor in the uninsured or underinsured and those $300 victories dont go very far.  Most hospitals in the country are operating in the red right now...

If however we get even a few dollars from those patients that are currently uninsured then hypothetically we should be able to bring prices down.

Like any other business, the key for the success of the new American health care system is competing the private vs. the public option.  In principle the private insurer would do its best to entice the customer by offering better service at a lower or competitive price.  If this actually occurs it will be a significant victory for the American citizen. 

[Zumer]

This whole health care debate makes me ill! I see more ideology and power grabbing going on than actual concern for for what the public wants or needs!

Bill

The truth and whole truth be known......