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You have to be kidding me!!!!
« on: March 23, 2010, 04:03:50 PM »
Are we all this STUPID!!!


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Re: You have to be kidding me!!!!
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2010, 04:06:46 PM »
The most Pompous person outside Obama on the planet! Unbelievable statement!

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Re: You have to be kidding me!!!!
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2010, 04:21:23 PM »
Shes Ugly and I cant stand Her...her face looks like a plastic Surgeon was on Crack !!! Everything out of her mouth makes me want to vomit!! Cant wait until Election Time !!!
 

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Re: You have to be kidding me!!!!
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2010, 05:06:32 PM »
All I can say is...  *fall* *fall* *fall*

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Re: You have to be kidding me!!!!
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2010, 05:39:43 PM »

... "dumb as a stump" - baaa-baaaa said the sheep ... :-\

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Re: You have to be kidding me!!!!
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2010, 05:54:27 PM »
Adds new meaning to the phase, "You Democrat!" ROTFLMBO

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Re: You have to be kidding me!!!!
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2010, 06:08:05 PM »
The stats dont lie..



The people of most all of the countries in the industrialized world are outliving Americans.  The Canadians who are not listed in this particular chart outlive Americans by 3-5 years on average.  The obesity and diabetes epidemic is a distinctly American problem and will only exaggerate this difference in life expectancy over the next 10 years.  Its worth noting that most of the countries ahead of the US are coincidentally in some form of Socialized Medicine.  

I havent had the chance to read over all the nuances of the new Bill, however, as a health care worker I'm glad to see steps be made to insure all Americans.  The legislation passed does not resemble the Canadian health care model, nor does it resemble the French model.  From what I'm seeing the model is somewhat unique in that private insurance is still marketable.

Before you all go off the deep end, give it a chance.  There is one undeniable truth about Socialized Healthcare, and that is there is a heavier tax burden placed on the citizens.  One has to ask,... "what is my life worth?  Am I willing to die earlier over a 5-15% increase in taxation?"  That figure isnt made up, thats the average difference in taxation in these countries.  

The nice thing about American legislation is that if its immensely unpopular it can be repealed as was the case with Prohibition.

My greatest fear is that America will fall into the same trap as Canada and other countries.  When totally socialized the healthcare system runs like the DMV.  Thats not very efficient and certainly not pursuing excellence and innovation.  America is an innovation leader in healthcare, I'm afraid bureacracy may stymie that progress.
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Re: You have to be kidding me!!!!
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2010, 06:43:03 PM »

I havent had the chance to read over all the nuances of the new Bill, however, as a health care worker I'm glad to see steps be made to insure all Americans.  The legislation passed does not resemble the Canadian health care model, nor does it resemble the French model.  From what I'm seeing the model is somewhat unique in that private insurance is still marketable.


I've been on an Health Insurance Benefits Committee for several years.  Health Insurance is the main reason I've stayed at my employment.  My wife is a diabetic and it's the #1 priority for me. 

What scares me about this is that I'm not sure anyone knows what is in this Bill.  I always said if a Bill was done right, it would benefit everyone.  I was hoping for the best, but (as you stated) time will tell... but my gut feeling is this is not the best. 

At our employment, Our Third Party Administrators were really concerned about the first version and what it would do to them.  As a health care worker, have you been told anything that would scare you?

Last we heard this bill will not affect our plan at work. 

I have a friend that is not able to afford insurance on his wife and we'll see if this changes that.  I doubt it and he does too.  He's sure he'll have to foot the bill.  I do know, costs are going up and a lot of it (per the Hospital reps we talk to locally) is do to people without insurance and not able to pay their bills. 

I do like the no pre-existing condition rule in this bill, but what cost will that have on the plans.

I think to do this right, we need to have someone (that is very knowledgable to the health industry but neutral at the same time) come up with the bill.  Not politicians!

As for what Pelosi said... nothing amazes me anymore..



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Re: You have to be kidding me!!!!
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2010, 06:52:25 PM »
As a health care worker, have you been told anything that would scare you?

I'm not real sure yet, I'd imagine that funding to Medicare will be cut to one degree or another in order to pay for the currently uninsured population.  This will be combined with some sort of new taxation.  For smaller rural community hospitals who cater to mostly elderly Medicare patients this would probably hurt them financially.  Larger safety net hospitals who are seeing a large number of uninsured patients may actually see some benefit.

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Re: You have to be kidding me!!!!
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2010, 07:01:02 PM »
wiltznucs
How about a little info about the stats. Does the graph include homicides, abortions, accidental deaths or just death by natural causes. I am very cautious to believe a graph since they can be made to say what the originator wants them to say. How many of these countries that are ahead of the USA has gun control?? How many travel by bicycle?? How many has good drinking water?? UN says more people die of bad water then in wars. Spending 980 billion to save 180 billion is beyond me. This is a bad bill and I for one can not give it a chance. I will do my part in voting these people out of office this fall. I'm not trying to bust your chops, but graphs are a waste.

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Re: You have to be kidding me!!!!
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2010, 07:16:07 PM »
wiltznucs
How about a little info about the stats. Does the graph include homicides, abortions, accidental deaths or just death by natural causes. I am very cautious to believe a graph since they can be made to say what the originator wants them to say. How many of these countries that are ahead of the USA has gun control?? How many travel by bicycle?? How many has good drinking water?? UN says more people die of bad water then in wars. Spending 980 billion to save 180 billion is beyond me. This is a bad bill and I for one can not give it a chance. I will do my part in voting these people out of office this fall. I'm not trying to bust your chops, but graphs are a waste.

James

James, exhausting ones self trying to find flaws in the measure is futile.  I know,... I did a 20 page research paper on the topic no more than 2 months ago.  

So far as the graph is concerned any death is included regardless of cause.  Life expectancy measure does not discriminate for homicides, abortions, etc.  Its all included in the stats.  Using your logic and given the U.S's lower crime rate and Public Health system we should be well ahead of the rest of the world.  Our roads and buildings have codes, our food and water is tested, our vehicles are the safest, we have the most comprehensive disease prevention system in the world, and the finest hospitals around.  We're not ahead of the world and there is a reason..

The reason is simply a lack of insurance.  Albeit a smaller population(10-25%), the uninsured die far younger than the insured population in the U.S..  There are socioeconomic and racial disparities as well.  When this uninsured population is factored in to the overall life expectancy, the U.S. suffers immensely by comparison to the rest of the world.  As you would expect, if we were to only include life expectancy among those with insurance then the U.S. would be among the highest on the list.

The graph before you is no lie, the U.S. is not behind third world countries but is well behind countries with a fraction of our resources or GDP.  These are industrialized nations and not poverty stricken war zones.
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Re: You have to be kidding me!!!!
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2010, 07:41:41 PM »
Not trying to find flaws, just the facts. Like I said, any graph can be made to say what the creator wants it to say. Lets take Ukraine for instance, which of the two Ukraines has the highest life expectancy??
 

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Re: You have to be kidding me!!!!
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2010, 07:47:45 PM »
Lets take Ukraine for instance, which of the two Ukraines has the highest life expectancy??

Thats funny, I noticed that too.  I reported it to the website who posted it.  I'm thinking the "first" Ukraine is actually the spot Canada is intended to occupy..

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Re: You have to be kidding me!!!!
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2010, 07:50:04 PM »
Look a little closer and you will see another one!!  ROTFLMBO  ROTFLMBO  ROTFLMBO thats why I hate graphs
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Re: You have to be kidding me!!!!
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2010, 07:53:04 PM »
Look a little closer and you will see another one!!

I spotted the Irish too... Theres much better graphs detailing this on the WHO website, but I cant link them here...