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Offline drabndouble

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SAFETY IN THE WOODS
« on: February 17, 2010, 04:07:13 AM »
There is discussion going on over on another forum about being safe in turkey hunting. Several stories relating the horrors of people being wounded and killed by other hunters . The photos will make your hair stand up .

 I mentioned there , and will do the same here . The veteran turkey hunter is more likely to make the mistake of mis -identifying an object , whether it is another hunter or animal . The mind can do things you may not believe .

 Positive Identification of what you are looking at is vital . A glimpse through brush is not POSITIVE . Knowing beyond doubt is critical , before the safety button on your gun is moved .

 Two times in the past four seasons I mis-identified an object in the woods . No shots were fired . One at first looked just like a jake walking on the edge of a field about 10 yards away . Don't ask me how ,,,,I can't answer . But after a second or two , I realized it was a hunter , sitting on the ground , waiving his left arm up and down , no more than 5 steps from me . Momentarily my mind , being fixed on turkeys , registered TURKEY , when it was not .

 The second event was a big black spot at the base of an oak . Two of my sons and I were in that same spot the day before and I recall seeing this tree with a blown out tree top at its base . Now what am I looking at . I ask my son what he made of it , and raised my hand and pointed to it . At that time the black spot began to move , but I still could not identify it .  Chris saw it move and couldn't tell what it was . Then the hunter did the same as the other . Instead of talking , whistling or yelling , he began to raise and lower his arm in a waiving manner .

 Both of these unnerved me a bit . Knowing it's possible to misidentify an object in spite of over 40 years of woods experience is disturbing. And the fact that there are hunters that will still move or waive to get your attention , instead of remaining still and yelling , is even more disturbing .

 Both of my encounters envolved hunters in head to toe camo . One was wearing the vietnam era style , the other I ain't sure , didn't get that close . Both looked as black as a gobbler . One day was clear and sunny , though the hunter was in deep shade . The other was a heavy overcast day .

 No turkey is worth getting shot over , and if you happen to be the shooter , your miseries have just begun .
 
This yet another reason why I will not shoot a turkey I haven't called to me .  Humans are fallible regardless of age or experience.

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Re: SAFETY IN THE WOODS
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2010, 05:45:49 AM »
I use an old trick my grandpa taught me.  You'll never see me sitting with the gun in the ready position.  I'm like you, know bird is worth the life of a hunter.  I sit there with the gun on the ground until I make a positive identification.  I do this for deer and turkey hunting.  I've missed a shot at several of the animals by doing this, but it's a safety net for me!

Our minds play tricks on us.  Why, who knows.  It's easy to misidentify and in the heat of the battle, I want to make sure!

I've seen bushes become turkeys and trees (like you've mentioned).  I always yell.  Never move but yell.  I don't want to move and get shot!


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Re: SAFETY IN THE WOODS
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2010, 06:17:11 AM »
Good thread!

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Re: SAFETY IN THE WOODS
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2010, 06:57:44 AM »

I use an old trick my grandpa taught me.  You'll never see me sitting with the gun in the ready position.  I'm like you, know bird is worth the life of a hunter.  I sit there with the gun on the ground until I make a positive identification.  I do this for deer and turkey hunting.  I've missed a shot at several of the animals by doing this, but it's a safety net for me!

Our minds play tricks on us.  Why, who knows.  It's easy to misidentify and in the heat of the battle, I want to make sure!

I've seen bushes become turkeys and trees (like you've mentioned).  I always yell.  Never move but yell.  I don't want to move and get shot!


I agree with Mr. P & his Grampa 110% on this one !!!!!!

... I will sit with my gun in my lap; or resting on my knee - pointed toward the sky; & don't even think about shouldering it until I "see the gobbler" - not a bush movin', not a dark shape, not a gobble, not a jake, not a hen - "the Gobbler himself - clearly" ...
This is from bowhunting; I believe the animal is going to give me the / an opportunity "to draw my bow" at some time in the close encounter once I've seen that it is possitively a deer; & one that I want to take ..
... the same with "shouldering my shotgun" when Gobbler huntin' ...
If I loose out on taking an deer or gobbler because I'm not given that opportunity, "than so be it" - there's always another day, another hunt, another buck, another doe, or another gobbler ...
... this is no time to be cuttin' yourself, or anyone else, any slack !!!

.. this is the main reason I've rarely ever hunted public property - I'm sure I'm missing out, but I don't swim with sharks either ...

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Re: SAFETY IN THE WOODS
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2010, 07:03:35 AM »

I use an old trick my grandpa taught me.  You'll never see me sitting with the gun in the ready position.  I'm like you, know bird is worth the life of a hunter.  I sit there with the gun on the ground until I make a positive identification.  I do this for deer and turkey hunting.  I've missed a shot at several of the animals by doing this, but it's a safety net for me!

Our minds play tricks on us.  Why, who knows.  It's easy to misidentify and in the heat of the battle, I want to make sure!

I've seen bushes become turkeys and trees (like you've mentioned).  I always yell.  Never move but yell.  I don't want to move and get shot!


I agree with Mr. P & his Grampa 110% on this one !!!!!!

... I will sit with my gun in my lap; or resting on my knee - pointed toward the sky; & don't even think about shouldering it until I "see the gobbler" - not a bush movin', not a dark shape, not a gobble, not a jake, not a hen - "the Gobbler himself - clearly" ...
This is from bowhunting; I believe the animal is going to give me the / an opportunity "to draw my bow" at some time in the close encounter once I've seen that it is possitively a deer; & one that I want to take ..
... the same with "shouldering my shotgun" when Gobbler huntin' ...
If I loose out on taking an deer or gobbler because I'm not given that opportunity, "than so be it" - there's always another day, another hunt, another buck, another doe, or another gobbler ...
... this is no time to be cuttin' yourself, or anyone else, any slack !!!

.. this is the main reason I've rarely ever hunted public property - I'm sure I'm missing out, but I don't swim with sharks either ...



Good reply Jim. Having to hunt public land has caused several close calls with crazies and help toting one dead hunter out of the woods shot by his brother in law no less. My sons are working their tales off to find a private track, which down here is awful difficult. Many times I have hit the ground and started yelling because a gun was pointed at me.

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Re: SAFETY IN THE WOODS
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2010, 06:34:55 PM »
Good thread. I have done  95% of my hunting on public land for the last 45 years ( since I moved to Florida from Tennessee) I  Have had hunters stalk me while I was calling, and been in the area when hunters were shot when mistaken for game; one of which was wearing an orange vest. Because of this I have adopted the habit of very loudly announcing my presence by saying " DON'T SHOOT!, I'M OVER HERE, DON'T SHOOT! Only after I am certain that I have their attention I say " DON'T SHOOT, I'M GOING TO STAND UP, DONT'SHOOT...only then do I show any movement and stand up and walk to the other person...the hunt is already screwed by then so I find out where the other guy is headed and then leave the area and go somewhere else. During turkey season I simply will not park my truck within a half mile of another...I will forego a hunt rather than walk in on someone who is already parked in an area. Fortunatly most WMA's in Florida are large..so it is really not as bad as it sounds. on most hunts I don't see or hear anyone else.
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Re: SAFETY IN THE WOODS
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2010, 12:46:39 PM »
Great post! I know for a fact that sometimes what a person "see's" is not always what it is.  The retina of the eye, captures images in a continuous and constant manner,,,,however, the regulation as to when and what the eye sees, is governed by complex mechanisms in the brain. These mechanism's may not always be 100% reliable as the brain tries to make sense of and interpret the impulses received through the optic nerve, kind of like connecting the dots, and comparing to other imagery stored in memory.
To illustrate, I was sitting one evening with my bow, overlooking a large gully. I heard something approaching, rustling in the leaves, and it was coming towards me from a direction I was expecting a deer might come. Soon, I detected a triangular patch of white, and my mind immediately tricked me into seeing a deer, angling towards me on the opposite side of the gully. I remained motionless, waiting for it to come within bow range.
Soon, my brother stepped out from behind a tree, and I knew instantly, my brain had tricked me into "seeing" what I had expected to see. My brother was wearing a dark colored shirt and a white t-shirt, the triangle of white which I had first seen, looked like the white patch on a deers throat. It scared the crap out of me to realize I had been so decieved by something I thought I saw,( I think I gave my brother a lecture, I had no idea he was in the area) it was a good lesson for me. I would never have believed it possible to be so completely fooled. My father had always drilled it into us to always be absolutely sure of any target before even aiming, so like Jim and others have said, my gun is never raised until I am absolutely positve of target identification,(he had lost a cousin to a hunting accident.)

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Re: SAFETY IN THE WOODS
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2010, 01:56:59 PM »
I have been "stalked" numerous times but one incident last year really scared me. I was hunting  a gobbler that I had a few encounters with that season. He would gobble like crazy off the roost and most of the morning but he liked to travel and covered a lot of ground through the course of the morning. One morning I decided to stay put and not follow him. He eventually wandered out of ear shot and I settled in to see if he'd return. I'd been sitting there a couple hours calling softly every once in awhile when I heard a soft cluck behind me. I sat there motionless for 15-20 minutes without seeing or hearing anything and then I could hear something in the leaves. It didn't sound like a turkey to me and I started getting nervous so I turned around to see a guy standing there with his gun up, pointed in my direction. I immediatly yelled and he lowered the gun. When I approached him to ask him what the heck he was doing he stated that he was checking me out with his scope. I kept my composure as I don't think yelling at someone who is that stupid and carrying a loaded gun is he best idea. The worst part about it was the guy didn't think he did anything wrong, he kept telling me his safety was on and didn't share my same concern with the incident.

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Re: SAFETY IN THE WOODS
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2010, 04:59:34 PM »
Great thread guys!
I myself whistle, or yell if i have to.
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