I shot several pattern targets at 40yds.,used 5's & 6's. Used four different firearms, all 3 1/2 inch, five different chokes( Indian Creek, Jebs,Browning Strut stopper,Hevy metal,Pattern Master Code Black and Black Bore ) Ranging from .640 to .655. All the patterns were what you want. The only thing is they do shoot higher than Winchester Supremes. Without adjustable sights, you'll shoot over a turkey.