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General Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: scott ellis on December 24, 2011, 01:57:47 PM
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I would say rhythm. As important as tone is, to set yourself apart from other hunters, I would say calling in real turkey time is much more important.....
SE
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I couldn't agree more Scot. Rhythm of the yelp is key.
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Yep.
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Gotta have rhythm.....
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I'm not in disagreement, here. But I know a fellow who has neither tone nor rhythm, and he is one of the most successful turkey hunters I know. And no, he doesn't ambush his turkeys, he calls them to the gun.
Bill
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they may have different voices, but thay all have the rythem *gobble* *gobble*
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Generally, The worst caller in the woods is a live hen. (although, I have heard a few exceptions with people on TV)She has one major advantage over us. She can go to the waiting tom. (That's what he's used to around here) In all my years I've never heard her out of rythem. Squeek, squak, rattle and scream but never out of rythem.
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Rhythm....
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Gotta have rhythm.....
Rhythm...at the right time
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Tone can and may vary, but the rhythm usually remains the same.....
As my dear friend Denny Gulvas would say....."There are no absolutes, when dealing with a turkey."
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well said Zum
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that's correct,..and pure "woodsmanship" will trump all the calling you could ever do.
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as David said...some of the worst calling I have ever heard came from a hen in sight-----
Rythem,rythem ,rythem is the key
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I am with David and the others...I too have heard and watched hens come cruising with the nastiest sounds I have ever heard, never dreaming it could be a real hen until I saw her, but they are always spot on with Rhythm.
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My vote goes to rhythm. I've heard turkeys that sound like ducks, crows, etc., but they still have the rhythm.
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I've got rythem, Who could ask for anything more!
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I think Alan Jackson wrote a song about a spring turkey hunt when a hen took his gobbler away from him didn't he??..............................."She's got the rythm, I got the blues"
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Hens have a tone in their yelps that I cannot say I have ever heard any caller perfectly duplicate..
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Rhythm or tone??? Call me crazy, but I want both to be right.
Mike
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Has far as calling go's rhythm is more important than tone. But both together is a great advantage as far as calling go's. But too me woodsmanship is the number one thing that brings me great success. Woodsmanship coupled with knowing when to call and knowing when not to call is what it takes to fool Ole Mr. Gobbler. Back to the topic at hand "rhythm". It does seem to be the case if you aint got rhythm nobody wants to dance with ya, even the turkeys. Scott thanks for bringing so much good turkey hunting advise and topics to Osage Roost. The first time turkey hunters have so much info. at there disposal it is hard for them to wade through the good and bad advise. Thanks Mike Rowland
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Hey Crazy how have you been doing?
Rhythm or tone??? Call me crazy, but I want both to be right.
Mike
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Rhythm without a doubt is more important than tone....but woodsmanship and knowledge of wildlife habits and calls,both game and non game, will definitely improve your chances of killing 'ol Tom
Charlie
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I would normally say rythm but now that I think of it turkeys don't rythm. I've never seen a turkey snapping their fingers to the beat of the music. Nope, turkeys have realism. They don't always do the same thing or sound the same way, although sometimes they can. I guess Denny was right, there are no absolutes in turkeys. I think the most important thing is realism. I hope I didn't mess up your question Scott.
TRKYHTR
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You didnt mess up anything Joe, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Although they dont snap their "toes" :) to music, whether fast or slow yelping, cutting or kee keeing, they have a rhythmic quality to their calling. Just my two cents.
rhythm-Movement or variation characterized by the regular recurrence or alternation of different quantities or conditions
A perfect example is the rhythm of the waves in the ocean hitting a shoreline, they travel slowly or sometimes fast, but the have a rhythmic characteristic.
se
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...probably the most "off rythm" or tone or whatever you want to call it is the Kee Kee,.... the way we do it on stage is pretty and scores points,..but those are the most unrealistic kee's you will ever hear,...don't know how we got to that point,..but it's a fact. the true kee kee calling of wild birds is a unique rythm and cadence all it's own,..it probably varies more than any other call they do,.....BUT like many have stated,...when it's a real bird, you know it.
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I will somewhat agree with that Pat, in the fact that I have heard single note kee's all the way up to six note kee's. Unrealistic, I would say no, I have heard turkey's kee exactly like we do it on stage-fact. I will say real birds are generally a little faster in cadence and the amount of kee's vary but not at all that different. The one call I will say that we perform that is more uniform than the way turkeys produce it is the flydown cackle. Again, I have heard turkeys cackle exactly like we do it on the stage, but more often than not, you here them start and restart the cackle as they descend.
se
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...probably the most "off rythm" or tone or whatever you want to call it is the Kee Kee,.... the way we do it on stage is pretty and scores points,..but those are the most unrealistic kee's you will ever hear,...don't know how we got to that point,..but it's a fact. the true kee kee calling of wild birds is a unique rythm and cadence all it's own,..it probably varies more than any other call they do,.....BUT like many have stated,...when it's a real bird, you know it.
Here you go with a kee kee.
TRKYHTR
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IMO a real turkey would never win a calling contest. My son used to practice for contest listening to Real Turkeys, and Tree Top CDs, but since he changed to watching contest videos he has started to place consistently.
On the original question I'd say cadence kills more turkeys than tone.
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...probably the most "off rythm" or tone or whatever you want to call it is the Kee Kee,.... the way we do it on stage is pretty and scores points,..but those are the most unrealistic kee's you will ever hear,...don't know how we got to that point,..but it's a fact. the true kee kee calling of wild birds is a unique rythm and cadence all it's own,..it probably varies more than any other call they do,.....BUT like many have stated,...when it's a real bird, you know it.
Here you go with a kee kee.
TRKYHTR
Joe good stuff.. You hear that little starter note before the kee alot in the wild.. Plus as in your video the kee kee is drug out more than most duplicating it.
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Yep it's like a pre yelp kee kee. Like half a note of a regular yelp.
TRKYHTR
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thats great to listen to. *up*
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Here is another boys.
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se
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............very few guys that can get close to that front end whistle and break like that,....I've heard a few,....but darn few!! Not to mention that yelp after the kee's,....
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............very few guys that can get close to that front end whistle and break like that,....I've heard a few,....but darn few!! Not to mention that yelp after the kee's,....
Denny, Cory, & Brian Gulvas .....
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What a yelp Pat! pretty awesome stuff-loved hearing the gobbler answering her....
se
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I've been listening to all of the good "cd's" out there the last month while building calls in my shop......there are some great recordings out there,.....there is no better way to tune a call than to "brain wash" yourself with all those real, true, pure turkey sounds. *gobble* *gobble*
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That hen is an example of the faster rhythmed kee's and the two note kee's that I mentioned on my early post. You have to admit we are pretty close to what she is doing in that sequence. One thing to note is how she kee's and then listens. Kee's and then listens. We're trying to cram a kee kee sequence in 1 minute......and man your right I love to just listen to them...all year long for me. We are close to some turkeys voices, but you know as real as we try to sound, I do not think that latex can reproduce that hen's rasp. I would kill to have her yelp!
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....yep,..like i said, ..there are a few that are close,...but getting past that "latex" sound is extremely hard,....over the past years it seems that "rasp" has taken over the importance of the rollover and since rasp is easier to achieve on a call, you hear more and more of just a little beginning and then all rasp,... I hear just as many hens that have that throaty, clear yelp (wingbone or trumpet) than all that nasty rasp. But either way,..It's all great music to me *dance* *dance*
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My vote goes to rhythm. I've heard turkeys that sound like ducks, crows, etc., but they still have the rhythm.
I agree with rhythm, but this got me to thinking...
Have any of you successfully called or have you witnessed anyone else successfully call a turkey into gun range on a call built for another animal? Just how far out of tone can you go and get away with it?
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Pat, I totally agree-I have been working my tail off practicing and "tweeking" my calls to carry that front note a little more noticeably in each yelp note.
Barefoot, I've never witnessed it, but I bet you could call a hot tom with a duck call if the rhythm was right. LOL
se
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I hear just as many hens that have that throaty, clear yelp (wingbone or trumpet) than all that nasty rasp. But either way,..It's all great music to me *dance* *dance*
Listening to Live turkeys and TTT , the bulk of the plain yelps are much as you described, clear front rolling over to slightly lower tone without a bunch of rasp.. Pat, I totally agree-I have been working my tail off practicing and "tweeking" my calls to carry that front note a little more noticeably in each yelp note.
se
You do that and the judges recognize it, you should score through the roof.. It seems alot of guys will hold it for a yelp or two and than whether its nerves, volume or whatever they lose the distinction in the high note.. They still have a front and back with rollover but the front end is hard to pick out..
If my memory is correct, Denny Gulvas does a very good job of keeping that front note in there..