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General Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: strutnrut on October 11, 2011, 07:32:48 PM
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TRUE COLORS let me say I was sucked in just like all the rest. You were correct AJ.
True Colors ?? That is the biggest joke of them all coming from this man. For a Year now we have endured his remarks without responding to his lies, his slander and his defaming comments and I for one have grown tired of it. Let me tell a TRUE story.
The last year before he turned on Morgan and tried to convince HIMSELF that Morgan made a S$%%% Box Call and tried to get me to go along with it.
He had come up here to the house to hunt. He stayed at my house, eat our food and hunted in areas (now his special spots closed to others) where I showed him there were Turkeys to be killed. Well after I got the Morgan box he came up to hunt and wasn't here long before we ended up in the shop (where my calls stay). We wasn't in there maybe 30 minutes he said Where is that Morgan box, well I got it out and he run the call a few minutes and then he said. I LIKE THE RIGHT SIDE BEST, YOU CAN KILL A TURKEY WITH IT AND YOU SHOULD HUNT WITH IT. We seen each other numerous time due to me going back and forth to Arkansas to take care of Mama. He even tried his damnest to get me to take this old barren non hunting female dog he borrowed from someone else to breed Buster to. I finaly told him that if the owner give me the dog I would try her but I didn't want another yard dog and I would keep her if she didn't hunt. Then he gets his panties in a wad over who knows what. More than likely because Mo made Porter a call and I wouldn't take the dog. Well he starts in on Mo, even ask me WHO I thought was lying and I wasn't even there. All I knew was that I had one friend mad and the other wasn't responding to him and that just seems to piss him off more but due to advice given to me by others saying leave it alone and it will die out and just don't say nothing was a mistake. I was staying out of it but low and behold he ain't going to let it go. I even run into him at the hunting check station where I was checking two birds, he was just as nice telling me about some deer and then about what his doctor said all that crap. I thought well maybe it will blow over but low and behold he goes home and get behind that keyboard and starts right back in. Even accused me of road hunting. Finally when he post that If You are going to be a friend of Richard You ain't going to be a friend of mine. That's when I knew it wouldn't be fair to the unknowing not to befriend me so I quit going over there then I hear I should come back and make a new account. What New Account heck he deleted my account. But he just kept on and on and on. He even tell his hunting partner that he better not be talking to me. Man has a control issue. If he can't control you then he will turn on you it's only a matter of time.
Then Nashville rolls around and me and my brother went out to smoke my first cigarette of the day and there they all are stand right in the door way. Lee moves over beside him and I guess when he figured I wasn't going to just bit#$ slap him Lee introduced himself and then goes to telling me we need to bury the hatchet and stop all this stupid childish sh$# that he was tired of it. I told him it wasn't going to happen because you don't come to my house eat my food, sleep in my bed, then start talking sh$# about me because I wouldn't throw Morgan under the bus over some of his made up stupid crap. I told him that the only thing I could have said no one wanted to hear least of all Cox's and I was guilty of was listen to others (the guy even said he was guilty of telling me that) and not tell him what I thought from the get go. THE Only thing I could say was when he came to my house he wanted to play Morgan's box. He said "YOU DON"T HAVE A MORGAN BOX" that when I called him a GD Lie. I told then all (they know who they are) what he said about Morgan's box call THAT I LIKE THE RIGHT SIDE BETTER AND YOU CAN KILL A TURKEY WITH IT AND YOU SHOULD HUNT WITH IT then I told him to call me a lie to my face. All he could do was walk over to one of the other guys and keep his mouth shut. So now I copy Whitt's box, his Trumpet and can't run a Trumpet even contact my customers. Well Mr Cox's you are correct you are going to see my TRUE COLORS you just keep on. There is an old saying "THERE IS MORE THAN ONE WAY TO SKIN A CAT"
To everyone else that reads this true story. I'm sorry to air this but the truth of it is a man can only take just so much and I for one have grown tired of it.If you are afraid of Cox's banishing you or putting you on some blackball list then don't call me for a call. Cox's I'm putting the ball in your court either STFU or face what is long overdue.
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*bowing* *bowing* *bowing* *bowing* The times, they are a changing!
Bill
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Richard, I don't believe there is anyone here, or on the SS, that would disagree with you, at least privately. Now publicly, that's a different story.
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Richard, I don't believe there is anyone here, or on the SS, that would disagree with you, at least privately. Now publicly, that's a different story.
Funny thing is, I agree with you.... I've talked to a lot of the guys over there since I've been gone. The general consensus is that he is narcissistic and
may actually have a mental illness.... I've never seen someone lie, with such ease and frequency. The thing is, I think after a little while, he actually believes the lies. I have spoken to him a couple of times on the phone and he wasn't NEARLY as bad on the phone as he was behind the computer. ;)
He would talk nice and listen to what you would say. THEN, he would run right back to the SS and start carrying on more crap.
Here's another story about TRUE COLORS...
Morgan made me a beautiful box around my birthday two years ago, August. Well, everyone on the SS was nice to me for a little while. Then I started getting asked about my box EVERY time I logged on over there. Then Honest Frank got mad because Mo made Porter a call. All I knew of Porter was what I had heard over there.(Twerent good buddy! LOL) I then spoke to Porter and thought, "surely this isn't the same guy that everyone ran in to the ground over there." Porter was super nice. I saw nothing wrong with Morgan making him a call, and I knew how good of a guy that Mo was. So, I gave Porter a chance. I am glad I did because I now consider Porter a true friend.
So, here was my predicament, a guy I know is as true and good as they come made a box for a man that seems to be really nice and genuinely eaten up with turkey hunting, like myself. All the while, my good friend Mo is getting slammed!(called everything other than a son of Jesus) Mo "stabbed em in the back by making another man a call." I thought about this to myself and thought just how childish this was. Grown men were having "internet enemies"? How was that possible?
Well, I was on "the list" for a trumpet. The reason I wanted on "the list" is because I am a turkey hunter. I'm only 25, but I have hunted turkeys for as long as I can remember and long before I knew anyone other than my dad and uncle that hunted them. I wanted to learn another call that could help me more efficiently kill turkeys. I had no issue paying $275 for quality, but I am NOT a collector. My calls will be scratched up, beaten up, and hunted with 40-50 days a year and handled year round.
I began taking up for Morgan on the SS and of course was met with opposition. The opposition did not know anything, other than what Frank had told them. Therefore, they RAN with the information given to them solely because they are DYING for a call! (I can tell you this much, they are not worth the wait, the crap you have to put up with for one, or the money.)
Well, Frank "sent word," like he so often does. (Just so you know Frank sent it, "silentK and Packfan" pm'd me and "chatted me". Packfan even called me.) The word was this, "if I would drive to Memphis(2 hour drive) WITH my Morgan box call, I would get PERSONAL turkey calling lessons on a trumpet from Frank. He always kept 4-5 trumpets made up at his house and I could hand pick whichever I wanted. BUT the key was to take the Morgan box call." I told Mo about this and he said to go get my trumpet and take the box to him.(if his boxes sounded so bad, makes you wonder why he wanted to see mine so bad) I thought about it for about 2 minutes. I have more backbone than the rest of the turds over there. I told Morgan, "there are other call makers out there and I was killing turkeys before I knew about L.F. and I will be killing them LONG after he is gone." I didn't need to subject my integrity for a dadgum call. So, as you can imagine, that was the end of my SS life.(for a little while) Around last fall late, Frank called me and wanted to come fall hunting because he had never killed a fall bird in MS. For the hunt I would get moved back to the "TOP OF THE LIST!"(I assume he has had luck leveraging people with turkey calls before) I "politely" declined the self invitation.(If he denys this, I still have the voice messages saved.) *If any one on the SS that I have mentioned denies this, you are an absolute coward. You are letting a grown man leverage you with a turkey call. The most of you kill a turkey every couple of years. That trumpet will not be a magic wand. You either got it or you don't.*
I can not speak to his boxes, but I know who makes them and I know what a turkey sounds like. They can NOT be all he cracks them up to be. Now, to the trumpets. I have run wingbones, Jordan style yelpers, and trumpets. Personally, I have run one of Frank's standard trumpets with ivory mouth piece(body was blackwood I think) and a turkey dog trumpet. I also had my KP trumpet around my neck and my Hudson trumpet. I have no issue in saying his call was better, if it was. It just was NOT! There was no difference, and his didn't run as easy as theirs did. So, you could mess with a narcissistic lunatic, or a calm respectable call maker. I chose the latter.
In short, my one conversation with Ron Magnano(turkeydoghunter) proved to be prophetic. He told me how Frank was and I got to see it first hand.(Seems he is a glutton for punishment though) Ron did run his KP trumpet that day and told me that it was the best he had ever run. He ran a Cox that day too. ::) (nothing special) I was really glad that he told me about KP's trumpet that day because KP and I have been good friends since then.
Frank doesn't have the truth in him. He has fabricated history to benefit himself, and it is constantly proven not true. He isn't the "trail blazer" that he makes him self out to be. He does make some quality calls, but he isn't in a class all alone as far as calls are concerned. If he were mentally evaluated he might very well be put in a room all of his own. ;)
One last thing, Frank you shouldn't have it out for GR8Calls like you do, if it weren't for him buying calls 2nd hand your calls would not bring nearly what they do now. I know some of this will be difficult for you to comprehend without Packfan to explain the big words to you or tell you how to spell words. I'll make it easy for you...
U WILL HAV 2 HIRE PALLBEARERS... ;)
Now go get after those hen poults you killer you! See ya later Sport!(the anticipation is killing me)
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Ryan, I remember when pack told you that in the chat room. Pack is a solid guy and his intent was not malicious, not toward you and not toward Morgan, but I think you know that. Frank thinks he can control who gets one of his calls and that is funny.
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Pack is a solid guy..
We must not be talking about the same guy who sent me harassing emails via E-Bay about some of my auctions. The guy doesn't know me from Adam and yet accuses me of dirty dealing? As a result of his nonsense I had two bidders retract their bids with only a few hours left in an auction. Had I not noticed it would have cost me a few hundred dollars. Come to find out 2 or 3 members of this site were working together to buy my items for next to nothing. And I still have the emails exchanged by a few of my fellow Floridians to prove it.
I was forced to stop the sale and relist the items while blocking him and a few other bidders from bidding on my items. I also got to pay double the E-Bay fees to boot. I'm just a working sap trying to pay his way through college and I have to worry about that crap?
Sorry, any guy so gullible as to believe two pathological liars and do what he did is a douchebag. Case closed...
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Gonna have to agree with Chad on this...the guy is a douche bag.
Not going to list all the reasons why...there are so many different incidents I could list...it would take up 5 pages...and he ain't worth it.
As far as cOx is concerned...he is a douch bag nozzle....there is a diffference...and him and Packfan used to be buddies...but I don't think so any more.
I never was on cOx's call list...never asked to be...always knew better...wasn't worth the compromise.
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Chad, did pack say anything other than to question if the call you were selling, was the same as the one you promised Erb?
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Chad, did pack say anything other than to question if the call you were selling, was the same as the one you promised Erb?
There was not then nor was there ever a "promised Erb". In 2009, I offered to sell Erb a Hegler call at my cost. No big deal as the caller really meant nothing to me and I've sold many calls in a similar fashion. In hindsight I should have gave the call to Erb as maybe Erb would have copied Hegler instead of Cox... thus saving himself a lot of grief. But heck, nobody knew at the time he had any intentions to actually build a call. So I digress... Erb had the Hegler call in hand on a number of occasions and wouldn't/couldn't pony up the cash. Erb ultimately declined to purchase the call and knew full well that the call would find its way to E-Bay.
Some weeks later I listed the call on E-Bay along with a few others. My pal Packfan sends me several emails about having "promising Erb" and berated me in a number of messages. Did I mention that Packfan has never seen, spoke, emailed, or otherwise contacted me.. ever?
So I called out Erb on the situation, to which Erb replies that ol' Packfan is nothing but a North Carolina drunkard and not to worry about it. I'm sure ol' Erb wasn't truthful with ol' Pack but that sure doesnt excuse Pack's actions. So come to find out Erb et al were among the bidders on the call and Erb got pressured by a few others to drop his bid. The goal was to time their bid retractions correctly it would have allowed a far lower bid to run to the finish and get the auction for nearly nothing. Ol' Erb was nice enough to send me the emails between himself, Pack, a FL collector, and a GA collector. Just for giggles I should post them and make a few members here squirm a bit.
You can defend Pack if you want. But screw Packfan and whatever story he's flinging about. He pulled a dick move on an absolute and total stranger which speaks volumes about his character. I'm simply calling a spade a spade..
To those other parties involved, dont mistake my silence on the matter for ignorance. I've simply got more important things in my life, I know who you are and what you did. I also know that the Hegler caller utlimately sold for nearly triple the price ol' Erb had the call offered to him for.
On that note, I've said my piece and I'm done here...
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Chad, if you want to start a thread about your hurt feelings, then do so, but this one is about the "money order" memphrican maniac, so let's stay on topic.
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Chad, if you want to start a thread about your hurt feelings, then do so, but this one is about the "money order" memphrican maniac, so let's stay on topic.
Dont crawfish now Ron, you rushed in to defend his honor. Is finding out that Packfan is a double timing douchebag an inconvenient truth for you? Too late to turn back now, you've associated yourself with that snake. And to be honest, it was actually your own post that brought the discussion to Packfan. It was in fact you that changed the topic from Cox..
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I'll be glad to discuss this in another thread, but this one is about cox. Your chubby bald butt made packfan an issue, when you couldn't help but to air your dirty laundry.
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I'll be glad to discuss this in another thread, but this one is about cox. Your chubby bald butt made packfan an issue, when you couldn't help but to air your dirty laundry.
Are we in middle school again? Is that the best you got? A 36 year old man calling names... ROTFLMBO
You're a joke Ron. And we all see it. Your just one on the long list of internet tough guys...
Go ahead, cut and run and then make a snide remark about a guys appearance rather than address the issue. It's clear you're defeated and I'll hang up and listen. Tell Pack hello for me..
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I'll say this...Packfan is a good guy. He was duped by Cox, just as many others have been. He regrets a lot of actions taken while under Cox's spell. Live and learn.
Mike
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I'll say this...Packfan is a good guy. He was duped by Cox, just as many others have been. He regrets a lot of actions taken while under Cox's spell. Live and learn.
Mike
Real men take responsibility for their actions and own up when they've wronged someone...
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Ah yes, middle school. Silly me, I thought I saw earlier where you called someone a d-bag.
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Chad
Some of us, have seen both sides of that coin.
Bill
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*lol* *lol* *lol* *lol* *lol* *lol* *lol* *lol* *lol* *lol* *lol* *lol* *lol* *lol* *lol* *lol* *lol* *lol* *lol*
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Cant teach an ole dog new tricks.......................
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Cant teach an ole dog new tricks.......................
Not true, any person who's studied psychology or organizational behavior would disagree with you. All people are capable of changing or being changed. Its the duration, sincerity, and effectiveness of the change that is variable. It's all about motivation...
To Bill's remark. I accept that I can't change who I've upset along the way. A decade plus I've been hanging around these forums and chasing the illusive bird(with varying degrees of success). I had ridden ol' Bill pretty hard several years ago and he has every right to be sore with me. I'm sure Mr. Henkel has a few regrets too...
I also understand that most of what people "know" about me and other members of this forum is based largely from the fabrications of a handful of talking heads. If your like me you've met and/or spoke to only a handful of participating members of this forum. You cannot hold the misinformation against anyone as its an inevitability in the internet age.
In 2008 I implemented what I called a "value added quotient" to my life and acquaintances. Pretty simple really, I chose to keep up with those who added value to my life. To that end, these turkey calls are worth nothing. They are nothing more than wood, metal, plastic and bone. Since changing philosophies I've had the good fortune of rekindling my relationship with real friends and enjoying what I love most... turkey hunting.
To the original poster, you can dwell on this spat all you want. It's not healthy and you'll never be satisfied with the response. In the face of the detractors I've always slept easy knowing that I was better to them than they were to me. Sure sounds like you're in the same boat..
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I find this whole thread very amuesing. Can some one please tell me what it is that would make a man take sides with Mr. Cox and attack another person that he doesn't know? I call these guy's cOx's lemmings!!! Than after they get run over by him they cry foul!! The list of these suckers just keep getting bigger and bigger!!
There's only one "TRUE MAN" on here that ever came to me after cOx screwed him over and apologized to me afterwards thats Mo!! Thak you Morgan your a class act!!
BigTom
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There's only one "TRUE MAN" on here that ever came to me after cOx screwed him over and apologized to me afterwards thats Mo!! Thak you Morgan your a class act!!
BigTom
who else owed you an apology and for what?
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Chad
Some of us, have seen both sides of that coin.
Bill
Chad
I apologize, if you took my post as one aimed at you. It wasn't! I too, have been the target of PackFan. Others may find him an OK kind of guy, but In my book, he ranks right up there w/ cOx.
Bill
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Chad
Some of us, have seen both sides of that coin.
Bill
Chad
I apologize, if you took my post as one aimed at you. It wasn't! I too, have been the target of PackFan. Others may find him an OK kind of guy, but In my book, he ranks right up there w/ cOx.
Bill
funny how things change when people are face to face. i thought you apologized to pack in nashville, is that not so?
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I apologized to calling him some poorly chosen words, concerning his linage and he did likewise, to me. His apology didn't last very long, once he got back on his computer and on the SS forum. So much for turning the other cheek!
Bill
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Cant teach an ole dog new tricks.......................
Not true, any person who's studied psychology or organizational behavior would disagree with you. All people are capable of changing or being changed. Its the duration, sincerity, and effectiveness of the change that is variable. It's all about motivation...
To Bill's remark. I accept that I can't change who I've upset along the way. A decade plus I've been hanging around these forums and chasing the illusive bird(with varying degrees of success). I had ridden ol' Bill pretty hard several years ago and he has every right to be sore with me. I'm sure Mr. Henkel has a few regrets too...
I also understand that most of what people "know" about me and other members of this forum is based largely from the fabrications of a handful of talking heads. If your like me you've met and/or spoke to only a handful of participating members of this forum. You cannot hold the misinformation against anyone as its an inevitability in the internet age.
In 2008 I implemented what I called a "value added quotient" to my life and acquaintances. Pretty simple really, I chose to keep up with those who added value to my life. To that end, these turkey calls are worth nothing. They are nothing more than wood, metal, plastic and bone. Since changing philosophies I've had the good fortune of rekindling my relationship with real friends and enjoying what I love most... turkey hunting.
To the original poster, you can dwell on this spat all you want. It's not healthy and you'll never be satisfied with the response. In the face of the detractors I've always slept easy knowing that I was better to them than they were to me. Sure sounds like you're in the same boat..
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? The Turkey Commander.................................
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I'll say this...Packfan is a good guy. He was duped by Cox, just as many others have been. He regrets a lot of actions taken while under Cox's spell. Live and learn.
Mike
As a result of this post in this thread, I have been banned from the SunnySide. Cox told me I needed to explain myself to him and I told him I didn't owe anyone any explainations and...I was banned! A total chickensh!t way to handle it, IMO, but normal for him. Oh well, no big loss.
Mike
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I'll say this...Packfan is a good guy. He was duped by Cox, just as many others have been. He regrets a lot of actions taken while under Cox's spell. Live and learn.
Mike
As a result of this post in this thread, I have been banned from the SunnySide. Cox told me I needed to explain myself to him and I told him I didn't owe anyone any explainations and...I was banned! A total chickensh!t way to handle it, IMO, but normal for him. Oh well, no big loss.
Mike
Par for the course. You are a call maker, so you were a sitting duck.
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How many callmakers are on that site still? Reckon it's a coincidence that EVERYONE has "copied" him?
Only reason K is still over there is bc he is milking him for hunting spots and info on boxes. What's Honest Frank gonna say about K's call? Heck he drew him out plans, then drove to his house last year to help him with his calls bc they weren't "up to par," or at least that's what Frank said. ;)
What's the going rate for a pallbearer these days?
I'll say this...Packfan is a good guy. He was duped by Cox, just as many others have been. He regrets a lot of actions taken while under Cox's spell. Live and learn.
Mike
As a result of this post in this thread, I have been banned from the SunnySide. Cox told me I needed to explain myself to him and I told him I didn't owe anyone any explainations and...I was banned! A total chickensh!t way to handle it, IMO, but normal for him. Oh well, no big loss.
Mike
Par for the course. You are a call maker, so you were a sitting duck.
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Cant teach an ole dog new tricks.......................
In 2008 I implemented what I called a "value added quotient" to my life and acquaintances. Pretty simple really, I chose to keep up with those who added value to my life. To that end, these turkey calls are worth nothing. They are nothing more than wood, metal, plastic and bone. Since changing philosophies I've had the good fortune of rekindling my relationship with real friends and enjoying what I love most... turkey hunting.
maybe you can teach cox about your "value added quotient", i'm sure he's willing to listen. ROTFLMBO
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Dang, the name comes up and all he!! breaks loose....... *lol*
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Life is too short.............. ;D.