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General Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: Trumpetyelper on August 07, 2011, 10:16:49 PM
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I go crazy when I see gobbler wingbones in turkey calls. I have bought a few calls accidentally thinking that they would have hen bones for the mouthpiece but they had jake or gobbler bones. I have been using hen wingbones or trumpet since age 12 but decided to give the bigger bones a fair chance. I started practicing with a gobbler bone and after a month or so decided that they stink for sound.. I think the hen bones give much better control for soft yelping and high pitch calling. This makes me assume that when I see all sorts of calls being made with gobbler bones they are more for sentimental reasons or for using the resources from the bird. I think I gave the gobbler bone a good trial but maybe someone can educate me. This has been bothering me for quite some time. What are your thoughts??
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I think...that just maybe, a fellow like yourself could show us how a trumpet are wing bone should sound. The deference between a hen and gobbler mouth piece. I watched your videos thinking I just might hear some calling on a suction call, but all I heard was a little diaphram calling in the first video... The only thing I heard on the second video was a red bird in the back ground....and a whole lot of bad language.... ::) Was that gobbler fix'n to attack that strutting decoy you had out....
I'm really looking forward to the decoy hump'n video.....does it have any calling in it.... :-\
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Ill put a trumpet yelper on there tomorrow if my internet allows. sorry about the cuss word in the video I edited it out initially but when i export from the video editing software it really makes the video quality stink. the video quality still sort of stinks because facebook must downgrade the quality. I will do a demo video.. I have been using yelpers forever but I don't claim to be the best. But it is what I kill a lot of birds with.
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I wasn't calling in the videos. it was a buddy James's hunt.. the video of the turkey humping the real hen decoy is neat. Again apologize for the cuss in the video. I don't condone that..
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just recorded a video and I will try to get on FB tonight.. I am a little out of practice so don't judge too much.
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Just checked it out.....sounds good !...... ;D
When speaking of gobbler bones alot has to do with where the bird was killed. Young gobblers in the south can be as light as 15 lbs, were as birds of the same age in the mid west and northern states can go well over 20lbs. A 20lb, bird will more than likely have a larger bone. I've actually seen bones from a mature hen that had a larger I.D. than most two year old gobblers from down my way. There are gobbler bones that will make a good call.
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I make cane yelper's with wingbones and there is a difference between hen and gobbler bones. You just can't get that tone that you are looking for with gobbler bones. A buddy of mine made me a yelper out of all gobbler bones and i can play it but it just doesn't sound right . Or maybe it's just the way I play them. I have other yelpers that have hen wingbones and IMO they sound better.
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I feel the same way about the gobbler bone.. It really made me think because the majority of the wingbone calls I have been seeing are Gobblers.. Wanted to make sure I am not doing something wrong because I am poor on a gobbler bone.. Keep the comments coming.. I want someone to defend the gobbler bone... I assume someone is a master on them..
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*peep*
Trumpetyelper
I'm with you on the gobbler mouth piece. I'll even go as far as to say 80 percent of the wingbone and yelpers on the market are gobbler calls not hen calls. People kill turkeys with them but the bird thinks it is coming to another gobbler or a Jake. If you can get your hands on a copy of turpins original record of his hen yelping you will have to agree that he thought this also. Great post
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I like the jake bones as it gives me the playability and sound that I'm looking for. Hen would be my second choice. JMO Bill
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can anyone on the forum put a short video clip up on my facebook page of them using a gobbler or hen bone.. here is the facebook link.. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Trumpet-Yelper-Wingbone-and-all-Turkey-Calls/111538222204285
Or put a video clip link anywhere I can see...
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Here's some calling on a gobbler boned mouth piece call I made...
http://www.mediafire.com/?htlmjjm0wim
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Here is the call from the sound file.....
(http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd15/tyrky270/002.jpg)
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that sounds awesome. is that a large hole on the wingbone or small... very good calling... i would have never thought you could get that quiet and high on a gobbler bone.
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Not just a gobbler bone, but the right gobbler bone.
Sooner...Do you think all of your hen bones are better than any gobler bone...??
And what does Tom Turpin have to do with this..... ;D
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I think the vast majority of hen bones are better than gobbler bones.. I think it takes longer to learn to use a gobbler vs. a hen bone. But i strictly used hen bones for so long. I just don't know why you would want a larger hole than what is needed. But.. I will say you sounded awesome on that sound file. Can you take a picture of the inside diameter of the mouthpiece. Because a gobbler bone up here looks like a darn snow goose.
Your gobbler bone looks very small.. no joke intended.. shoot a pic of the inside diameter of you get time.
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This sums it it all up.....".Because a gobbler bone up here looks like a darn snow goose."
I rest my case... ;D
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Looks like a snow goose bone... I am seriously inquisitive about the size of the gobbler bone... from looking at the picture I would have thought that was a hen bone.. I can put a pick of the gobbler bones I am referencing..
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This is a sound file I just made on my blackberry phone with a wingbone.
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Im not looking for justification that hen bones are typically better than gobbler bones in reference to mouthpieces I think that is understood by most. almost all suction yelpers use a 3/32 hole which mimics more of a hen wingbone. I was trying to see if there was a reason there are so many gobbler bones out there and yes you did answer my question. People can play them well. yourself included. Can you play a hen bone as good or better??
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This sums it it all up.....".Because a gobbler bone up here looks like a darn snow goose."
I rest my case... ;D
You just said that "A GOBBLER BONE UP HERE LOOKS LIKE A SNOW GOOSE BONE" I don't think you know your bones....
I only came to the defense of gobbler bones being uesd in some calls. Can a certain gobbler bone be used yes....Can all gobbler bones be used....NO.. are hen bones always better.....NO... it depends on the I.D. of the bones being used....
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And *up* on your sound file......It takes balls to make one....Most folks won't even try.... ;D
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I just did a better sound file... Here it is.. I have never done that before.. I made it with the program you did. thanks for the insight on the program..
http://www.mediafire.com/?rhy1i9c9yrs05kc
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your solid on the gobbler bone... I am terrible on the gobbler... terrible. You selling any gobbler bone wingbone calls that have a good id.. I would be interested in buying one.. Im not a hater.. Im up to try any new call.
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Good sound file..... :)
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interested in selling that call??
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Here's some pics of different bones I have in the shop. The first pic from left to right is a small gobbler bone from a southern 2 yr, old, a hen bone from Pa, or N.Y. and a Canada goose bone.
(http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd15/tyrky270/bonewidth1.jpg)
This next pic is in the same order left to right showing the internal deminsions of each....
(http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd15/tyrky270/boneIDs2.jpg)
(http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd15/tyrky270/boneIDs1.jpg)
As you can see this particular hen bone has more of a rounder I.D. than the gobbler bone. This gobbler bone has a flater I.D. In comparisn THESE two bones are about equal in internal size. Trumperyelper, goose bones are typically smaller than hen bones. I have never used any in the wing bones I make, but have given some to my friend gonehuntn on here who has made some killer cane calls out of them.
Trumpetyelper, I totally agree with you and sooner about the number of wing bone calls out there that are made from the wrong sized bones. Most of the time its very obvious when they are......
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interested in selling that call??
Thanks for asking, but that one is my personal hunting call.
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interested in selling that call??
Thanks for asking, but that one is my personal hunting call.
You can't go wrong with one of KP's calls. He makes a great caller. *up*
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Not attempeting to throw a wrench into this debate, but the old timers use to plug the end of a gobbler bone w/ glue and then drill a hole to get the sound they liked.
Bill
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Not attempeting to throw a wrench into this debate, but the old timers use to plug the end of a gobbler bone w/ glue and then drill a hole to get the sound they liked.
Bill
I have seen guys do that with epoxy.
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Not attempeting to throw a wrench into this debate, but the old timers use to plug the end of a gobbler bone w/ glue and then drill a hole to get the sound they liked.
Bill
I've heard that also, but have never tried it....wonder how it will sound...
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From the few I have seen, it worked just fine.
Bill
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Here you go trumpetyelper....Here's some gobbling on one of my wing bones with a hen bone mouth piece and on my ole style trumpet. These sound files were made recently by my friend Thor Kain from Pa,.........I only wish I could do it half that good. I'll keep practicing...... ;D
http://www.mediafire.com/?76xs1ug692k37ka
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Im going to do a sound file of me gobbling.. i just started trying the gobble. it wont be great.
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Here you go trumpetyelper....Here's some gobbling on one of my wing bones with a hen bone mouth piece and on my ole style trumpet. These sound files were made recently by my friend Thor Kain from Pa,.........I only wish I could do it half that good. I'll keep practicing...... ;D
http://www.mediafire.com/?76xs1ug692k37ka
I leave that to Thor, i'll stick with a box to gobble....... trying trumpet gobbling puts me in a bad mood lol :D
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just tried a new gobble on yelper... I am still a rook at this...
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Here you go trumpetyelper....Here's some gobbling on one of my wing bones with a hen bone mouth piece and on my ole style trumpet. These sound files were made recently by my friend Thor Kain from Pa,.........I only wish I could do it half that good. I'll keep practicing...... ;D
http://www.mediafire.com/?76xs1ug692k37ka
I leave that to Thor, i'll stick with a box to gobble....... trying trumpet gobbling puts me in a bad mood lol :D
I hear you Dylan....I can't get close to that....
Trumpetyelper that sounds a whole lot better than the first one I heard you do on youtube.....big improvement.....
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I have enjoyed all the comments in this thread. I am just a baby in the making of wingbone callers. The ID is very important of a good sounding, easy to use wingbone caller. I have calls I have made with different ID's. I have gobbler wingbones that sound great. The ID must be just right on it. It is a two bone caller. It was my first wingbone caller. I made it from directions I got from Jim Casada. I have a few other gobbler wingbones that sound great too. I have one hen wingbone which came from a jenny that had been hit by a car. It sound great too. The ID is a smaller that the gobbler bones. One thing I would suggestion of ya'll guysif you could convert your sound files to wav files. I can not play a few of them on this computer. Plus I can not download the software required to play them. Kenny your first sound file sounded great. See ya, Mike
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I may be wrong on this but I think alot of folks use the gobbler bone due to there greater availablity. In North and South Carolina we do not have a fall or winter season so hen wingbone are in short supply. Therefore I use mostly gobbler and jake bones. In the south where I live the bones are not to big in most of the gobblers I have harvested. Buy I have made some from birds taken in Ohio and New York. They were made for friends turkeys. There bones were bigger than the birds in the south. Also I have tried the epoxy and drill technic but I did not likke my results. It could just be me.
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THANKS FOR THE UPDATE NCTURKEY...I AM GOING TO POST SOME PICS OF GOBBLER BONES HERE IN ILLINOIS AND SNOW GOOSE BONESS.. NO JOKE THEY ARE 3 TIMES THE I.D. OF THE BONES THAT KP POSTED... THEY SIMPLY WILL NOT WORK.. THE BONES THAT KP POSTED LOOK GREAT..I AM ACTUALLY PMing WITH KP ABOUT HAVING HIM MAKE ME A CALL..
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IS ANYONE USING GOBBLER BONES FOR STRIKERS...
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Just my opinion, but from a guy who's made quite a few over the years, if you can control the lip pressure, the internal diameter isn't all that important. With the correct pressure, pitch can be controlled. If anything, the tone might be a bit more hollow. I have no problem with a gobbler bone. I try to use smaller diameter bones, however, because they are more popular and, as this thread proves, most folks think it makes a big difference.
I think using a lipstop makes a difference in control and pressure, so try learning to call without one.
JMO
Oh yeah, I've made a few cane/bone strikers too.
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I have used wingobone caller as a striker for slate calls before. It works pretty well. Works on glass calls too. I have seen a few goose bone strikers made with a corn cob. Kinda works like a carbon stirker but not as high pitched.
IS ANYONE USING GOBBLER BONES FOR STRIKERS...
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I've never tried making a striker from any......I'll have to give that a try....I've got some REAL big gobbler bones that I use for lanyard beads on my wing bone calls.... ;D
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I wonder if anyone tried making a 3 bone yelper but used a large gobbler bone mouthpiece as the number 2 bone.. and used a small hen bone as the mouthpiece.. basically a 3 bone call but smaller...third bone would be what is typically used as the number 2 bone in a standard 3 bone yelper... this could sound super confusing but just an idea.
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I make this style of call. I use a gobbler ulna, a hen ulna , and a hen radius for the mouthpiece. It is the style I like for close in calling.
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A couple guys makes those gobbler strikers.....
I have a set from Fred Cox, a single from Jim McNeil, and have seen a few made by Steve Mann....They work great on certain type surfaces.
We have a fall season here in PA......I've learned to run an all gobbler bone made by Tony Ezolt or one from Ralph Snodgrass.....I've had success with both of them....Close down your hands, draw more air at a slower rate and you should be fine..
Zumer
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Just my opinion, but from a guy who's made quite a few over the years, if you can control the lip pressure, the internal diameter isn't all that important. With the correct pressure, pitch can be controlled. If anything, the tone might be a bit more hollow. I have no problem with a gobbler bone. I try to use smaller diameter bones, however, because they are more popular and, as this thread proves, most folks think it makes a big difference.
I think using a lipstop makes a difference in control and pressure, so try learning to call without one.
JMO
Oh yeah, I've made a few cane/bone strikers too.
Sorry to resurrect this thread but I find this very interesting because I also have been making wingbones for quite some time and I agree with gonhuntin on this. Wrong mouthpiece??? I know (at least I heard,lol) that it's "common knowledge" that the hen radius is "THE" bone to use for a wingbone call and I know that some of the greats have stated such, so who am I to aurgue? For one thing, sometimes you want the deeper sound for fall gobbler hunting, but that aside, IMHO a jake or gobbler radius call can sound every bit as good as a hen, or, dare I say even better??? for spring time hunting. Besides your calling techniques as gonhuntin described, when I cut my gobbler radii, I cut it as close to the joint as possible, where the hole is the smallest. Also, another thing I've found for getting the higher pitch out of gobbler bones is to cut down the length of all the bones slightly so that the overall length of the call is not much more than the length of a hen wingbone call. These are just some things that work for me.
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One seldom see's a Hen bone in a Jordan Call, mostly Jake and Gobbler, a Fall Call, as meant to reproduce the Sounds of Jakes and Gobblers, not a Hen.
If you can Kee on a gobbler bone, which one can, you can get any sound.
All about Air control.
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I play and hunt wingbones often along with my trumpets. I prefer a jake bone mouth piece for sure. I do not like the jenny bones much at all as to me they seem to be too high pitch with less volume and the bone is so small its tough to get comfortable with a good seal. I produce fantastic hen (young & mature) sounds with my wingbones from Harold Skip Perry and Rob Balaam of jake bones. I don't care much for the gobbler bones though a well made one is capable of producing good sound. Its all about the tone, pitch and volume you want from the call and then your abilities to manipulate it.---Jason
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Personally, I make them all. I use only the smaller diameter bones. But, a jake bone makes the widest range of sounds. Most people can't back off the pressure enough to run a henbone the way they need running. If the gobbler bones are not small enough, and that depends on where they come from, I don't use them. An 18 or 19 pound gobbler down here is the norm, they make fine bones. I've had hen bones from the mid-west that was a big as the gobbler bones here. That is one of the reasons I'm leary of making bones from gobblers others have killed. Sometimes you get great big old bones that you know aren't going to sound good, then some one is dissappointed with the bone caller. Folks don't seem to realize that you can tighten up your grip on the mouthpiece and get a higher tone, even with gobbler bones. Relax the grip and you get the more gobbler tones from them.
Mark
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Not attempeting to throw a wrench into this debate, but the old timers use to plug the end of a gobbler bone w/ glue and then drill a hole to get the sound they liked.
Bill
I've never considered myself an old timer *lol* but as I reflect on my age, I guess I may be. I've filled the ends of many gobbler boned wingbone calls with epoxy and drilled smaller holes for a higher pitch. I've been doing this for over 20 years. But, as Mark and others have said, a good wingbone caller can manipulate the sounds and pitches with controlling the amount of pressure used with which to call. That being said, I prefer the hen radius over gobblers or jakes. I guess a lot depends on what type of hunting you are doing, whether it be fall or spring. Also, as was noted earlier, in NC and SC, hen wingbones are hard to find. Luckily, I've got several friends in Va, Pa, and Ny that save hen wingbones for me to make into wingbones. Of course, I'm always on the lookout for more wingbones from any fall hunting states. Many years ago, I started making a free wingbone call for anyone that could supply me with six wings. They get a call and I'd have five to make for my business. That's worked out pretty good.
As far as strikers from gobbler bones, they make good ones. I've don't make a lot of them but the ones I do make are made with a corncob top. I use the dimensions given to me by Neil Cost. I do the same with snowgoose and Canada wingbones.
EZ hit the nail on the head when he mentioned the length of the call. This has much to do with the degree of pitch. You may not hear a lot of difference between a call that is 8.5" long as compared with one that is 8.25" long but play it against one that is 7.5" long and it is very discernible.
Fred
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You're right Fred. I've even had some hen bones that were too small to use except the mouthpiece bone. Those bones placed in the right gobbler bones make fine callers.