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Callmakers Corner => Callmakers Workbench => Topic started by: Dragonfly on February 28, 2011, 03:43:57 PM
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people glue the lid screws in thier box calls??? I hate that. No way to adjust it later on down the road if you want or to replace a spring if need. Just wonder what the reason is behind it.
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Waiting on the replies!
Mike
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Went to replace a spring on a box call last evening, snagged it last year in the woods on something, and unknown to me the darn screw was glued in and it being a brass #8...the darn thing snapped off down inside the box. :-[
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Went to replace a spring on a box call last evening, snagged it last year in the woods on something, and unknown to me the darn screw was glued in and it being a brass #8...the darn thing snapped off down inside the box. :-[
WOW, fixable but a pain for sure,
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My guess would be that for some reason the screw hole was either too big or wallowed out. So when the call is ran the screw would back out and the call would be perpetually out of tune. Just a guess.
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*up*
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Jason
Never heard of that one! I've had screws get set in a call and twist off. Usually becasue the wood was still to wet when the screw was put in. I suggest when you take the screw out or put one in, you either use bees wax on the threads of the screw or candle wax
Bill
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My guess would be that for some reason the screw hole was either too big or wallowed out. So when the call is ran the screw would back out and the call would be perpetually out of tune. Just a guess.
I would think, a wallowed out hole would be easy to fix vs completely ruining a call by glueing the screw in. *cry* *cry*
Bill
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Send it back to the callmaker amd let him deal with it...... :-\
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Yeah, when I snapped the screw off I saw glue all over the threads. I was also surprized at how darn easy a #8 screw will break :-\. I only post this to help call makers understand that doing this... may not be a good idea. Was not to offend in any way.
Bill,
Thats good advice that I remember DAD giving on CCO to call makers years ago. ;) Thanks for the reminder.
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Send it back to the callmaker amd let him deal with it...... :-\
X2
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I have never heard of this also and I don't know anyone who does this, can't imagine the need unless some mistake was done during building.
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Lamar Williams, Darrin Dawkins, and other custom call makers that I know glue the lid screw.
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Interesting is the assumption the call maker made a mistake of some kind. From a call makers standpoint, every attempt must be made to ensure a call doesn't fail in the field. Most of us are not making calls to earn a living, we do it because we love it and want you, the hunter, to be successful in the field. Countless, and I mean countless hours are spent in the shop perfecting our skills. I and many other call makers can attest to the personal sacrifices made to learn this craft, which for many of us is more like an obsession. Our reputation rides on every call that leaves the shop.
One of the things you learn as a call maker, is that a call has to be foolproof. Hunters will sometimes think they can adjust a call to make it sound better. Maybe they can, if they know how to tune a call. For example, a predator or duck call made with a Lousiana tone board. A hunter takes it apart thinking he can adjust it, tune it or whatever, puts it back together and it sounds even worse. Because he doesn't know where the reed should be placed on the sound board for optimum sound, he is now even more frustrated and blames the call maker.
A screw on a box call might be glued in once the call is finished and tuned to prevent the hunter from making adjustments, not to make it difficult for the hunter, but to keep the lid in the optimum position for making turkey sounds. It might also be done if the call is being sent in to a competition for the same reason. These calls get handled a lot, and things can happen to screws. If it backs out a half turn it can dramatically change the sound of a call.
If you are having a problem with a call, do yourself and the call maker a favor by contacting him/her first. Sometimes a situation can be prevented by a simple phone call and a drop of release agent!
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Its a screw for adjusting the lid on box call... not tuning a high performance car engine.
If I pay good money for a box call and personally want to or need to make an adjustment on said call... I want that option. I do not need my box calls "child proofed". JMO.
P.S.-If a screw is put in right it shouldn't back out very easily. I have a call from Albert Paul I have hunted the dog off for years and the screw has never once backed out.
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I still question why? I know most of those gentleman won't put a lid to a call, until it sets for a spell. Wood being wood, it is always changing, depending on humidity and/or temperature. A call sent from Florida (for example) to Arizona....will change considerably in tone. Glueing in the screw won't allow the new owner to compensate for any change.
Bill
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I still question why? I know most of those gentleman won't put a lid to a call, until it sets for a spell. Wood being wood, it is always changing, depending on humidity and/or temperature. A call sent from Florida (for example) to Arizona....will change considerably in tone. Glueing in the screw won't allow the new owner to compensate for any change.
X2 Glueing up a screw hole because it is wallowed out is fixing the issue of the moment. Not fixing the problem. And that is just speculation. Makes no sense to take the flexiblity of tuning a call away...permanently. Most all things eventually need tweaked. Cars, guns and even turkey calls. As to new owners tinkering around and "screwing" it up (or down ;)), that is how you learn how to do. Practice and experimentation. I think it is a great idea to get ahold of the maker. I wouldn't hesitate to back up any call I make. But I have a couple of old Lynch boxes and M.L is gonna be hard to track down for service I am thinkin.... 8) Every turkey hunter needs to know how to adjust his (or her) equipment.
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Again, you are assuming something that may not be the case (a call maker "fixing" a wallowed out screw hole)
I don't glue my screws into a call, was merely suggesting another reason a call maker might do this, that is to ensure the paddle stays at the optimal position to play, and to keep people who don't know what they are doing from "tinkering" with it (or in the case of high stakes competitions). I would assume that a call maker with a reputation such as Lamar Williams or Darrin Dawkins, if they do in fact glue a screw in, would have a valid reason to do so, other than making a mistake and trying to fix it.
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Again, you are assuming something that may not be the case (a call maker "fixing" a wallowed out screw hole)
I don't glue my screws into a call, was merely suggesting another reason a call maker might do this, that is to ensure the paddle stays at the optimal position to play, and to keep people who don't know what they are doing from "tinkering" with it (or in the case of high stakes competitions). I would assume that a call maker with a reputation such as Lamar Williams or Darrin Dawkins, if they do in fact glue a screw in, would have a valid reason to do so, other than making a mistake and trying to fix it.
From What I have been told from Call Makers that DO gLue their lid screw in is exactly what Dave says...That call in their opinion is where it should be when it leaves the shop and they dont want someone or anyone making adjustments...Thats what I have heard the reason is..
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Again, you are assuming something that may not be the case (a call maker "fixing" a wallowed out screw hole)
I don't glue my screws into a call, was merely suggesting another reason a call maker might do this, that is to ensure the paddle stays at the optimal position to play, and to keep people who don't know what they are doing from "tinkering" with it (or in the case of high stakes competitions).
I would assume that a call maker with a reputation such as Lamar Williams or Darrin Dawkins, if they do in fact glue a screw in, would have a valid reason to do so, other than making a mistake and trying to fix it.
From What I have been told from Call Makers that DO gLue their lid screw in is exactly what Dave says...That call in their opinion is where it should be when it leaves the shop and they dont want someone or anyone making adjustments...Thats what I have heard the reason is..
... from a buyer's perspective - when gettin' a box caller from "other than" the maker, the thought does cross your mind "on occasion" -------- as to whether someone's monkey'd 'round with the screw ... :-\
Interestin' topic for sure - "to glue, or not to glue" --------- some good points made by all ... 8)
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Personally I don't glue my screws in my box calls. I can see both sides to this story and see reasons to glue and not to glue. When I am done with a call it is tuned to the best of my ability and that is exactly the way I want that call to sound, if not I start over and that call gets scrapped. So for that reason I could see gluing in the screw so someone sould not tweek it, it's been tweeked to the best of it's ability. (People don't realize that a 1/4 turn on a screw can dramatically change the tone, pitch and or break of the call). And unless you really put a call through the ringer and run it for hours @ a time every day I can't see it coming out of tune or the rails and lid wearing out. If it's built properly I can't see the screw backing out except for possible EXTREME climate and humidity changes, but even then I 'm not sure if it's necessary. I build my calls in SW Pennsylvania and have shipped calls all of the US and have had no complaints to this day. Just my 2 cents, but like everything else everybody is gonna have their own opinion.
Matt...
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Again, you are assuming something that may not be the case (a call maker "fixing" a wallowed out screw hole)
I don't glue my screws into a call, was merely suggesting another reason a call maker might do this, that is to ensure the paddle stays at the optimal position to play, and to keep people who don't know what they are doing from "tinkering" with it (or in the case of high stakes competitions). I would assume that a call maker with a reputation such as Lamar Williams or Darrin Dawkins, if they do in fact glue a screw in, would have a valid reason to do so, other than making a mistake and trying to fix it.
Did I miss a post somewhere that said that it was one of Lamar or Darrins calls? Just curious...
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Lamar Williams, Darrin Dawkins, and other custom call makers that I know glue the lid screw.
I don't believe that the manufacturer of the call in question was named.
But the quote from above was the first reference to those two call makers.
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I did speak w/ Lamar about this, and he does glue his screws in on his LB's.
Bill