Osage Roost
General Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: letinmfly on February 06, 2011, 10:07:19 AM
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Unless a customer specifically orders it, why is it that some of you build boxcalls with the lid and base made of different wood? I'm just wondering, for my own curiousity, what the reason for this is.
My personal preference is that both the lid and base be the same wood. IMO it just looks nicer.
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I will answer from a personal opionion. I have found that different density woods and different grain woods react differently when combined in a box. A walnut box is a very dense wood. When you combine the walnut box with say a mahogany lid that is softer, it mellows the yelp more to and an actual hen. That is not to say that a walnut and a walnut with a sharper harder yelp will not turn that old boy around. It is more of listening to different combinations and making a call they like. They like different combinations at different times. I think that is why you see so many combinations.
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I try to keep the lid and base the same woods, as well as the inlays the same. I am with you, it just makes a better presentation. Doesnt effect the sound of the call, but I dont want it to look like I found the pieces at Goodwill either
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John.
I appreciate your response, but I think you misread what I am asking. I'm talking about a Cost style call persay, with the lid and base being the same wood. Not the actual body of the call.
My apology if I misread your post.
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Lou, I am with you and Lee on this, if I were to make a poplar box with a cherry lid, I would want to make the base out of cherry as well. The base has to/should be glued to the box when it is tuned, I am not going into the specifics as to why that is a general rule, except to say,trade secrets,lol. Some times the plan is to build a box in a certain comb, say osage over butternut. The box is built and then it doesn't want to play with the woods chosen,osage paddle, it has to be onery, and will only play with a walnut, purpleheart or zebra wood paddle,just for example. This is one reason you might see this, otherwise it is just a choice made by a call maker or customer.
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Thanks Dave.
That makes sense to me! *cheers*
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I try to keep the base and paddle of the same wood when possible. But sometimes, after trying several paddles of that wood and the call doesn't sound right, I may try a paddle of a different wood of similar qualities. Once the base is glued in place, there's not much you can do about it, but you can change the paddle if that's what that particular call wants.
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I try to keep the base and paddle of the same wood when possible. But sometimes, after trying several paddles of that wood and the call doesn't sound right, I may try a paddle of a different wood of similar qualities. Once the base is glued in place, there's not much you can do about it, but you can change the paddle if that's what that particular call wants.
Or you could do like Morgan and paint the call so it's like the customer wants *lol*
J/K.
I have a few that are like Lou describes and it was due to the intended wood not working as a paddle...
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Hey Lou,
I use the same wood for the paddle and the base, just makes for a nicer looking call. To me diffrent woods makes the call look like a scrap call. If I can not get a call to sound right with the wood I am using I scrap the call. That is just me.
God Bless,
Mark
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Dave said it purdy well. One exception I've seen is when the paddle wood is hard to get and someone may not want to use it as a base. I try to match them unless asked to do otherwise.
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Yes for aesthetic reasons they should match. But if the call is right why trash a perfectly good box. Turkey's don't care and if the box kills turkey's what does it matter!
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I try to keep the base and paddle of the same wood when possible. But sometimes, after trying several paddles of that wood and the call doesn't sound right, I may try a paddle of a different wood of similar qualities. Once the base is glued in place, there's not much you can do about it, but you can change the paddle if that's what that particular call wants.
You can easily remove the base on a jointer just plane it down to the bottom of the box and the two side will come off install a new matching base ;D
Mike
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good tip, but.... I don't have a jointer.
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John.
I appreciate your response, but I think you misread what I am asking. I'm talking about a Cost style call persay, with the lid and base being the same wood. Not the actual body of the call.
My apology if I misread your post.
My bad, The situation is different with my boxes and cost boxes.
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I agree with you guys on this one....the same base as the lid does look matched up or more asthetic to the eye, I like to do them that way also. The only one I have ever changed up was for one someone wanted --its a call that I just posted the other day. Its a Limba under Walnut with Osage inlays and a Osage bottom. The call looked good but I like the more traditional look alot.
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AL- does that mean I have an Ultra Rare SS short box? :o ;D :o
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Can't really add much to whats been said already. It just looks better when matched. Balance, symetry. But don't that ole "wild hair" just get to ya sometimes and ya just have to do it different. Or is that just me? ???
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I agree with you guys on this one....the same base as the lid does look matched up or more asthetic to the eye, I like to do them that way also. The only one I have ever changed up was for one someone wanted --its a call that I just posted the other day. Its a Limba under Walnut with Osage inlays and a Osage bottom. The call looked good but I like the more traditional look alot.
I thought that call looked great. The walnut matched the limba very well in the pic. I don't have a Janka scale in front of me, but I just figured you chose the walnut to put a harder lid on the limba for a little more bark. Was I wrong?
For the record, I like for the paddle and base to match, too.
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I agree with you guys on this one....the same base as the lid does look matched up or more asthetic to the eye, I like to do them that way also. The only one I have ever changed up was for one someone wanted --its a call that I just posted the other day. Its a Limba under Walnut with Osage inlays and a Osage bottom. The call looked good but I like the more traditional look alot.
I thought that call looked great. The walnut matched the limba very well in the pic. I don't have a Janka scale in front of me, but I just figured you chose the walnut to put a harder lid on the limba for a little more bark. Was I wrong?
For the record, I like for the paddle and base to match, too.
Well said!
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AL- does that mean I have an Ultra Rare SS short box? :o ;D :o
I would say you do! *lol* *lol* In the beginning I built them out of whatever I could get or afford. LOL.. Heck my first calls were made from wood I got from farmers around here laying in their barns. ROTFLMBO
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You started out on MILLED limber!?!? *wha* I had to cut my own trees! Then mill 'em myself with a chainsaw!...Then haul the planks on my back.... 5 miles to the shop... uphill... both ways... barefoot... in the snow. *cry*
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You started out on MILLED limber!?!? *wha* I had to cut my own trees! Then mill 'em myself with a chainsaw!...Then haul the planks on my back.... 5 miles to the shop... uphill... both ways... barefoot... in the snow. *cry*
Dang Ken!!!! You sound like my Dad!! He walked to school and it was uphill both ways! ROTFLMBO ROTFLMBO ROTFLMBO Guess I had it easy! *cheers*