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General Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: JLCcalls on October 20, 2010, 08:49:57 PM
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Anyone watching this tonight?
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I didn't see it but I did read the news story and it's very disturbing. >!!
Here's the link for anyone interested. There's a short video included of the news story as well.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/39740539/
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Its a pretty major black eye for Remington, my first rifle was a Remington 760 pump action and I have a Model 7 that has been very good to me.
To be honest I lost favor with Remington several years ago. Once they started producing the 710 and then importing cheaply made Russian/Baikal made singles and doubles I knew the company was cheapening the product. Smith and Wesson is guilty of the same...
I cant say I'm surprised by the report, but on the other hand 10 fatalities among 5 million products sold is a pretty good margin, and lets be honest guns by nature arent exactly "safe". Whats interesting is how Remington has handled the situation, by comparison this week a stroller company named Graco recalled its 2 million strollers due to a few deaths... Remington on the other hand has done nothing!
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I have owned a bunch of Remington 700s in my life. I presently have 6. I have always thought the 700 trigger was the best and safest trigger I have messed with. I have set the trigger pull at 2 1/2 lbs on a couple of them and bounced them on the floor and they would not go off. Unless Remington has changed their product with the newer guns I cannot imagine one of them going off unless the trigger is being pulled with the safety off. JMHO
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I was woodchuck hunting with a friend one day when he went to unload his 700 and it went off. The bullet missed my right foot by inches!! He sold that gun that week!! Talk about a close call we both *poo* in our pants!!
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I have owned a bunch of Remington 700s in my life. I presently have 6. I have always thought the 700 trigger was the best and safest trigger I have messed with. I have set the trigger pull at 2 1/2 lbs on a couple of them and bounced them on the floor and they would not go off. Unless Remington has changed their product with the newer guns I cannot imagine one of them going off unless the trigger is being pulled with the safety off. JMHO
I think this was the big problem with the 700, it remains very easy for even the novice gunsmith to manipulate the trigger...
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Stupid is as stupid does. Mine is set on 3lbs. By experience you set the trigger at less 2.5 lbs the 700 becomes very dangerous. The gun will fire when you close the bolt hard! One of the best triggers ever made. But when people mess with the trigger and don't practice proper GUN SAFETY. She will kill you! I shoot mine till I die! Cnbc is just make a stink because they are anti gun!!
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Cnbc is just make a stink because they are anti gun!!
*up* They love to stur up *poo*
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I agree with you 3CB. My Remington big game rifles have trigger pulls set at 3 lbs. I have a trigger pull gauge so I know where they are at. The two I have at 2 1/2 lb pulls are varmint rifles. But like I said, I have bounced these on the floor with the buttstock and cannot make the gun dry fire. I did see a Winchester Model 70 go off twice one day when a gentleman was showing me how the 3 postion safety would not fire the gun whenever the safety was placed in the middle postion. He kept pulling the trigger and the gun kept going off with live rounds. I wanted away from him fast. That convinced me that day that guns do not kill, but stupid people do!!!
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I agree with you 3CB. My Remington big game rifles have trigger pulls set at 3 lbs. I have a trigger pull gauge so I know where they are at. The two I have at 2 1/2 lb pulls are varmint rifles. But like I said, I have bounced these on the floor with the buttstock and cannot make the gun dry fire. I did see a Winchester Model 70 go off twice one day when a gentleman was showing me how the 3 postion safety would not fire the gun whenever the safety was placed in the middle postion. He kept pulling the trigger and the gun kept going off with live rounds. I wanted away from him fast. That convinced me that day that guns do not kill, but stupid people do!!!
Rickey your last statement is par on!!! Anything can fail and that is why we most always remember, point the muzzle in a safe direction. A safety is not 100% fail safe. I never walk with my Encore loaded. I've missed the opportunity at many deer, but I sure do not trust the mechanical safeties built into the gun that pulling the hammer back and forward real fast wouldn't set the gun off. Shooting a .460... wow I'd hate for that thing to hit me in the head!
I've owned Remingtons all my life and never had one go off on accident.
I know Remington's newer triggers are supposed to fix this issue.
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I must be having a dejavu (sp) moment. It has been a while, but Ruger stopped making a trigger that you could mess w/, years ago, for the same reasons. Now everyone has an adustable trigger....for the at home gunsmith! The sear on the Remington trigger is prone to let off if adjusted to much...been there and seen it happen way to many times!
Bill
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Last year I bought a brand new Model 700 Sendero SF2 in 7mm for moose hunting. When I sighted it in, I had trouble ejecting the shells, so I sent it back to the factory. I got it back from them, and they told me the bolt was worn out! It had a total of 10 shells fired through it. It was supposedly fixed, but the third shell failed to extract. I took it back and traded it in on a browning. Thanks Remington!
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Had an old 30-06 700. It went off one time when I was just starting to shuck the shell out. Lucky I was pointing it toward the ground. Took it to a gunsmith to see what the problem was. Turned out to be a piece had wore down in the bolt after so many years of use and abuse. I wouldn't trade my old Remington for nothing. It has put a many a back strap in the freezer. Also, she is my baby. Roc *up* *up*
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Adam's 1st deer rifle gun I bought him was a 700 when he was 10. It has been a good one. I stll prefer the Ruger M77 anyday! Had one for almost 30 years and it is simply the best gun for the money you can buy! In mmy opinion.
Mike
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Adam's 1st deer rifle gun I bought him was a 700 when he was 10. It has been a good one. I stll prefer the Ruger M77 anyday! Had one for almost 30 years and it is simply the best gun for the money you can buy! In mmy opinion.
Mike
Yelp. I love my Ruger
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I have a question that I ask at the beginning of every Hunter Safety Class I teach...."Whats the first thing you do when you pick up a firearm?" You would be amazed at the answers i get...POINT THE MUZZLE IN A SAFE DIRECTION!!! period thats first and foremost...A firearm has many mechanical parts that can fail...If you control the muzzle you can avoid an accident...Some of the things I see in the field makes me wonder why there arent more accidents. If someone shoots themself or someone else while unloading or handling a firearm in any way they were not controlling the muzzle! With that said Remington has to make the public aware of that potential...We are talking about a firearm here...That is a life threatening problem..I do not own a Remington Rifle and chances are I will not now...
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Cnbc is just make a stink because they are anti gun!!
*up* They love to stur up *poo*
Regardless of political affiliation, I'm a believer that where theres smoke there is fire. Could the story be sensationalized? Absolutely, but if even half the story is grounded in truth then Remington has some explaining to do...
To say the story in made up because the station has liberal tendencies is simply electing to keep your head in the sand. They provided over 3 decades of documentation, and just based on the few anecdotes in this thread it certainly seems possible that an issue exists..
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Wiltznuc's.
I Have had this problem happen on MY rifle and my dads. I'm not ignoring the problem in anyway. But CNBC is anti-gun. Therefore they cannot and will not give an objective opinion. As No Bull said MUZZLE CONTROL eliminates these incidents. Therefore the man or woman has to take responsibility for there actions when they shoot someone!!!!!!! Yes, Remington will probably do like Ruger and produce a trigger that has to be removed and replaced (Cheaper than building a better trigger). A rifle comes from the manufacturer with 5-7 lbs of trigger pull. I don't know about you but i can't shoot a rifle with any accuracy with a trigger set that high. Thus costing me and you more money to get proper trigger pull on our guns. Remington is a target of opportunity for this report, yes they need to improve the trigger system. Yet these cost will be passed on to the consumer. Liberal tactic to increase the price of weapons thus decreasing there availability to the common man!
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Regardless of whether or not CNBC is anti-gun, it doesn't change the facts that there have been problems with this gun in the past and will probably continue to have these same issues in the future. Blaming CNBC won't change the fact that Remington has had problems with the Model 700 line of guns.
Just for the record I'm neither a fan of CNBC nor Remington.
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Lost my internet connection while reading the story, but: Over 5 million 700s sold, 12 certifiable accidental discharges? Thats if I am reading the story correctly. Out of those 12 fatalities, how many were from guns that had trigger work done on them? Had a gunsmith worked on any of these weapons for any reason. I guess what I am getting at is, it seems to me that Remington has constantly produced a very reliable weapon for MANY years. Now, is there something in the report that stated that there are many more instances where ( thank God) death didnt occur but still an AD occurred? I hunt with a 700 and use another 700 at work. The work gun has had over 3000 rounds through it and I have never had a problem nor have I witnessed a problem, and we have 9 700s in operation here