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Turkey Call Paradise => From the Callmaker's Bench => Topic started by: trumpetturner on July 10, 2010, 11:25:42 PM
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There have been many many hours, countless trials and many errors (really just butt ugly results) trying to learn the machine and what it will do and how to do it, as well as what shapes or features would go well together and how to incorporate all that into dimensions that would work for a call. All that doesn't count the expense of the machine and tooling. A couple of folks got a small sneak peak at part of this at Nationals. They were probably wondering if I finished or ever was going to finish it.
This is NOT a CNC machine. The machine is a replica of a late 1800's and early 1900's rose engine. It is literally hand driven and as you can see can be very precise. These machines are part of a class of lathes known as ornamental lathes. I'll give some more history of the machines as we go along.
Anyway, the ivory mouthpiece has two 12-sided features. The lower one being a kind of pallisade. The lipstop and center feature of the mouthpiece are 24-bump rosette features. The trumpet section is blackwood. The lanyard keeper is two rings of what are called barleycorns. Each one has 24 overlapping circles cut along the ring. The overlapping cuts result in "football" shapes in the center and squatty diamonds along the outer edges. The center feature of the trumpet is what is called "basketweave". Finally the bell is cut with what is called a double eccentric dome chuck. The internals are the same as my Classic calls. This is just a prototype and can definitely use some refinement, maybe even a makeover.
I would like some honest critique. Give me your first impressions and then come back and spend time letting it grow on you and then give an opinion after you let it grow on ya. Oh, no sanding has been done on the trumpet body, and only some of the some of the mouthpiece was polished before any of the cuts were made. Thanks for taking the time to help me out with this new possibility.
So here we go...
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That is unreal! Fantastic job on that call!
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*bowing* *bowing*
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Fist impression is wow! Gotta read about he Rose Engine! Don't think that is for the woods! Awesome work Danny!
Mike
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Danny, your work is always very impressive. My honest opinion is the call is a little busy. I love the mouthpiece and the bell, the basket weave changes the look that to me doesn't have that flow I associate with your calls, and I am not sure about the barlycorns although I do like the overall shape of the lanyard keeper. Perhaps the double eccentric dome chuck effect (pallisade?) would look better in the body section, more along the lines of the bell, or just keep it smooth with no basket weave. It's not that I don't like any of the design elements, they are all very nice, it's just that to my eye the flow is interrupted by the barlycorn and basket weave effects.
That's just my opinion Danny, I am always impressed with your work, superior by far to my own, *bowing* and I hope my comments are not received in a negative way. I look forward to seeing more of your work, always stunning!!
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Just went and watched this YouTube video of the rose engine! Awesome machine!
Mike
http://www.mandalaroseworks.com/video.php better video
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:o
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Simply stunning Danny!!!! *bowing* *bowing* *bowing*
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*bowing* *bowing* *bowing* *bowing* *bowing* *bowing*
I like it just the way it is !!! *up* *up* *up*
*bowing* *bowing* *bowing* *bowing* *bowing* *bowing*
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Mighty fine craftsmanship. Sweet looking call.
Todd
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Simply awesome *bowing*
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Very stately looking, but I'm gonna agree with Blackfalcon that its just a bit busy for my tastes.
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Black Falcon, sent PM.
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Simply awesome *bowing*
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Very stately looking, but I'm gonna agree with Blackfalcon that its just a bit busy for my tastes.
*bowing* *bowing* Beautiful work.
Dave
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Simply awesome *bowing*
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Awesome call Danny!
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Danny, You guys are always coming up with something new and different. That is a cool I think that is a fine exhibition of what the machine may be capable of..I had never heard of a Rose Engine, but I will certainly read up on it.. You have certainly turned out an impressive piece of work. I am with in agreement that it is a little busy..but you can't argue with the quality look it has.. thanks for sharing ....Charlie
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I have to say that the call is extremely eye appealing to me and I love everything about it. It definately isn't too busy to my eyes as I love the contrasting features. It flows together quite well and to be honest I wouldn't change a thing. Stunning!!! Thanks for showing it.----Jason
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I love the mouthpiece and like the barleycorn for the lanyard. Instead of the basketweave, a smaller version of the bell would have been nice.
But I have to say that is some mighty fine work.
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For those who would like to some research or reading up on ornamental and rose engine turning, here is a website that can keep you busy for a long time. Be sure to take a look at the websites of some the OT (ornamental turning) artists.
http://ornamentalturning.net/
Ornamental and rose engine turning really came into its own in the late 1700's when ornamental lathes were made for the rich aristocracy and royalty who wanted a creative hobby. The most well known ornamental lathe maker, John Jacob Holtzapaffel, left France in 1785 and set up shop in 1794 in London, England. The last Holtzapaffel lathe was manufactured in 1913. Only in the last 10 years or so have there been new makers of ornamental and rose engine lathes, and then they only make them on a custom order basis. Famous ornamental turners reads like a Who's Who of the royalty Russia, France, Austria, Denmark and England of the 18th and 19th centuries.
Even in recent years, only those with very deep pockets were able to pursue the art by means of finding and refurbishing an antique
Holtzapaffel or Evans lathe, and most of these were in England. But the art is being revived by a few who have made their own lathes and there a couple of firms who are custom making rose engines at "relatively speaking" reasonable prices. However, like any other lathe, all the additional tooling adds up very quickly and in the case of these machines, the tooling is very specialized as well.
Thanks for all your honest opinions, and remember....keep looking and let it grow on ya, and then let me know what you think too. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but that is determined partly by what we are accustomed to.
Thanks again,
Danny
PS. The basketweave (the center section of the trumpet body) is not really appreciated unless it is in hand. When the call is turned in the light, the curves of the cuts reflect the light so that it shimmers, or really more like light is reflected off of the facets of a cut diamond.
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I think it's a great example of craftsmanship as well as having a historical value. Whether someone calls it a turkey call or just a trinket on a shelf. That is exceptional work. It takes all kinds to make this world go round and that is certainly part of it. Outstanding!
Thanks so much
David
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Danny,out standing job...Your work is top shelf...Ernie
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That is off the chart amazing!!!
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Danny you think you've just about seen it all and you pull this one out.
I just fired up the computer, so I was able to read everything above. I like it a lot. I could see some saying it was too busy, but I think it flows very nicely. I'm going to keep drooling and looking at this and come back. Also going to read about the Rose Lathe. I can only imagine how much time has been spent on this caller!
Absolute masterpiece there!
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SWEEEEEET !!!!! Looks great Danny.
Timbo.
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simply awesome looking Danny
Stumpy
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Wow.. *bowing*..!! Danny you pulled another awesome call out.. *bowing* *bowing*.. Great story and workmanship!!
Brent,
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WOW !!!!!!! Beautiful Craftsmanship Danny.....
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Danny, I keep getting drawn back to this fine piece of artwork, and it is definitely a magnificent piece. Having a little more knowledge of the process required to produce it, leads one to a greater understanding of it's uniqueness and the precision required to create it. Thanks for sharing the links, outstanding work! *up*
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This definitly aint your first rodeo. Great job as always *up*
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That has to be one of the most impressive works of art I have seen in a very long time
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That has to be one of the most impressive works of art I have seen in a very long time
Elegant is the word that came to mind.
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... the basketweave does seem to kinda' break up the overall vertical flow - but, Holy Moly "who would really care" - incredible caller ... *bowing* *bowing*
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Yea, irraguardless what is in the center, it is still a work of art and a beautiful call
with some of the most intricate details. Looks like you've got that rose engine mastered.
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That is one very "unique" looking turkey caller....reminds me of a chess piece of some sort! *up*
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I want to thank everyone for your encouragement and honest opinions. You have really been helpful. It's been an interesting lesson.
Keep letting it grow on you and if you have other thoughts about it or questions, please PM me.
Thanks for your thoughts on all three of the calls. You are most gracious.
Danny
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Always a pleasure to look at your work, Can just look once!
Mike
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Simply stunning Danny!!!! *bowing* *bowing* *bowing*
RkLu RkLu
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I am not real big on decorative calls but wow! I can't really say anything the others haven't already said. I do agree it is busy but it's impressive none the less.
A functional work of art..... Awesome. Keep them coming 8)