Osage Roost
Turkey Call Paradise => From the Callmaker's Bench => Topic started by: Bulldogmikey on February 11, 2010, 09:56:42 PM
-
Why have I heard that the hen bones are much better for the calls than the Toms???
Mike
-
never made one, but i would assume it would have to do with the size being smaller and more narrow.
-
I've put together about a dozen or so wing bone calls all with either Jake or Gobbler bones. I know I've got a lot to learn still but the calls sounded great to me. Last week I found a hen that got smacked by a car so I releaved her of some bones. I just finished putting them together tonight and they sound fantastic. They really sound way better than my other calls. The bones are a lot smaller and produce a totally different sound. I can see why they are preferred over tom wing bones.
Dave
-
A hen bone has a smaller diameter therefore producing a higher pitch.
-
A hen bone has a smaller diameter therefore producing a higher pitch.
*up*
You can use the bigger bones and tune them also ;) Also how you hold your hands over the end can get you a higher pitch too.
-
A hen bone has a smaller diameter therefore producing a higher pitch.
*up*
You can use the bigger bones and tune them also ;) Also how you hold your hands over the end can get you a higher pitch too.
Yup. You can choke down on the bell end and get a higher pitch.
-
A hen bone has a smaller diameter therefore producing a higher pitch.
*up*
You can use the bigger bones and tune them also ;) Also how you hold your hands over the end can get you a higher pitch too.
Rob's right. There are a 100 different ways to tune bones to get a desires tone and pitch. Obiviously, the way you hold your hands changes the volume. I guess it all comes down to what the user prefers.
Bobby
-
Mike,
Some of the finest playing wingbone calls were made from a mix of birds.... I personally don't like hen bones...too high pitched, too small a bone to get good lip seal on, uncomfortable and leave yah with very little diversity in sound. Jake bones are my preference. Of course all said, it's just my opinion.---Jason
-
Jake bones are my preference.
Yep...... RkLu
-
Statement made....."By choking down on the bell end you get a higher pitch".......Really????
-
Yup.
-
Statement made....."By choking down on the bell end you get a higher pitch".......Really????
Some guys will hold a finger over the end cutting off some of the air to get a kee kee. I find it easier to get a kee kee this way
-
A hen bone has a smaller diameter therefore producing a higher pitch.
*up*
You can use the bigger bones and tune them also ;) Also how you hold your hands over the end can get you a higher pitch too.
Keep it up ,,,,,I'm a fairly good student,,,,,,,,,,,been strugglin' with a wingbone for a year ,,,,,,,,,,,very limted on sounds , but when I hit it right it is a hen yelpin' ,,,,,,,,,,,, help!
Rob's right. There are a 100 different ways to tune bones to get a desires tone and pitch. Obiviously, the way you hold your hands changes the volume. I guess it all comes down to what the user prefers.
Bobby
-
Quote from: Yankee on Today at 01:27:32 pm
Statement made....."By choking down on the bell end you get a higher pitch".......Really?
Some guys will hold a finger over the end cutting off some of the air to get a kee kee. I find it easier to get a kee kee this way
Hunter1018...you just made a whistle out of the call, you have to almost totally cut off all of the air to do this... not really the same as "choking down on the bell" I assume this to be cupping the hands or a finger partial obstruction of the bell or a combination of the two....
-
By choking down I meant constricting air flow.
-
I have even went so far as to take a dremel tool and cut a small turkey track into the call then using my finger to cut off all air except the air passing thur the turkey track. This will produce a high pitch kee, work really good on a gobbler bone call but will also work on hen bones as well.
-
Quote from: Yankee on Today at 01:27:32 pm
Statement made....."By choking down on the bell end you get a higher pitch".......Really?
Some guys will hold a finger over the end cutting off some of the air to get a kee kee. I find it easier to get a kee kee this way
Hunter1018...you just made a whistle out of the call, you have to almost totally cut off all of the air to do this... not really the same as "choking down on the bell" I assume this to be cupping the hands or a finger partial obstruction of the bell or a combination of the two....
Made a whistle?? Whether you call it choking the bell or putting a finger over some of the end what does it matter. You get the desired results that your looking for.
No you don't have to have to cut almost all their air off. You just have to cut some of the air off. Do you use a wingbone? How long have you been at it? I see you have hidden all your info who might you be?
I am by no means an expert and have never claimed to be on all the things you can do with a wingbones but have been using one for about 7 years now and have learned a thing or two
-
Easy now 1018, don`t get excited.....I am certainly no expert either, just questioning the statement to get this straight for my mind. What does it matter "who" I am? I am someone that wants more knowledge about how the instrument works. I would think a wingbone and a trumpet work on the same principle, my experience is with trumpets.
About the kee statement I made... No you don`t "have" to cut the air totally off, you don`t have to cut any of it off, you can run a kee with no air restriction at all. But that is an easy way some guys get a kee sound, (you said it yourself)by putting a finger in the end and getting a whistle from the call. You brought the kee into this topic, it was not in here before you mentioned it. In the original statement I didn`t think that was what was being talked about.
My question then is this....lets stay we are talking a regular hen yelp. I have been told by callmakers/suctioncallers that by cupping your hands/ or by finger modulation whatever method, when you restrict the airflow...it will speed the rollover and lower the pitch of the call. Is the information that I have been given incorrect?
-
I never said I stick my finger in the end of the bell. I said hold it over the end. I use my finger about 1/4 to 1/2 way down the bell from the top. Cupping and constricting are two different things. Cupping your hand will help with the break and a big cup will lower the tone. If you contrict your hand over the end you can get the higher pitch. Everyone uses them different. Thats how I use mine. Trumpets for me are easier to kee kee on as are hen bones. When using jake or gobbler bones holding your finger over the end I can get a kee kee out of them
As for who you are I like to know who i am talking with thats all
-
Ya know....you take any number of guys, and they may well all play the same call differently, there are so many variations it can make these written words confusing to anyone (me) reading this. But again, no one was talking kee till you brought it up. Lets talk plain yelps.
If you contrict your hand over the end you can get the higher pitch
I would think only if you incease the airflow/draw harder? Yes, then I can is how it could, you would be increasing the velocity greatly. All thing staying the same, I would think it would "seem" lower.
Cupping your hand will help with the break and a big cup will lower the tone.
Thats what I am saying! "opposite" of the statement made earlier in the thred. Constrict your hand....cup your hand.... seems like the end effect would be the same.... restricted air flow.
Whatever you put in front of the bell, I would think could act like a mute? From one of your statements it seems you agree that the sound would be quieted/lowered? You say that cup and constrict are 2 different things...As soon as I do either....cup/constrict..... the percieved pitch (to me) drops... it may be just a word thing...maybe tone vs pitch ... sharp/muffled
Seems your awful hung up on the identity thing... Would it be any easier for you to explain your point just cause you know my name? If I hadn`t been around these forums for years, I wouldn have no idea who you are. I didn`t know identity was a prerequisite to ask question on this forum.
-
Yankee
Personally, it doesn't make any difference who you might be. One thing is clear, you have good working knowlege as to how a wing bone is played! Pitch is a function of the lips...and roll over, can be achieved w/ a coffee staw in the right hands!
Hunt Safe!
Bill
-
Since we don't have a suction call dictionary and everyone uses different terms it can be a bit confusing.
Yankee-Unless i'm completely wrong as to who you are I think you know the answer to most of your questions but i'll clarify what I was saying.
IMO, using a gobbler bone with the end completely open produces a "hollow" sort of sound. By using my finger to close off( constrict,choke, etc..)a small portion of the end along with creating a tighter seal with my lips I am able to get a higher pitched sound. I am not refering to closing the call almost completely off as some do to kee kee, just blocking the end a bit. I am by no means an expert, in fact I much prefer a trumpet over a wingbone, just giving my two cents.
Thor
-
Mzl.... I thought I knew some of the answers till I read this thread, and it got me scratching my head, thats why I asked questions, I am always looking for tips, and there is always something new for me to learn or an angle that I may not have thought of. Like mentioned, could be just terminology.....
-
Yankee
Personally, it doesn't make any difference who you might be. One thing is clear, you have good working knowlege as to how a wing bone is played! Pitch is a function of the lips...and roll over, can be achieved w/ a coffee staw in the right hands!
Hunt Safe!
Bill
Bill's right about that. I've got a "call" I made trying to explain this to a friend of mine except I did it with an ink pen and a small, round cardboard tube.
I restrict the airflow with my lips to get a higher pitch. I do this by where I place the call in my mouth. This is where a lipstop (for me) comes in handy. This is what works for me. There's MANY ways to do it and it doesn't matter how you do it as long as you get the sound you're looking for. You're right right about 10 people running the same call 10 different ways. Just look at how contests are judged. One day a call is a winner and the next day with a different set of judges, the call may not even place. It doesn't mean it's a "bad" call, it just the way different different people run calls and their opinion. I can kee kee easily on my bones, and I'm FINALLY learning how to gobble on it, but I've made them to suite me. Some may not find it so easy.
Just my 2 pennies worth,
Bobby
-
I think everyone was saying somewhat of the same thing, it's just one of those things that's hard to explain in a few sentences on the internet.
Bobby- I heard someone do the most realistic gobble on a trumpet and had to learn it myself. It took a bit but I finally got it down. It sure is fun to do.
-
Bobby- I heard someone do the most realistic gobble on a trumpet and had to learn it myself. It took a bit but I finally got it down. It sure is fun to do.
in a brief description, how is it done? does it have to do with fluttering your hand? i've played around with it like that, but haven't come up with anything that sounds right, consistantly.
-
Some people bounce it off their lips and other flutter their hands. I think that is the easy part, learning how to draw the air for it and then control it is the tough part. I didn't do a very good job explaining what I meant with the wingbone so I think I'll leave the gobble at that.
-
Some people bounce it off their lips and other flutter their hands. I think that is the easy part, learning how to draw the air for it and then control it is the tough part. I didn't do a very good job explaining what I meant with the wingbone so I think I'll leave the gobble at that.
that makes sense. and i would agree that controlling the air would be the toughest part.
-
... GOOD THREAD !!! ... 8)
-
Bobby- I heard someone do the most realistic gobble on a trumpet and had to learn it myself. It took a bit but I finally got it down. It sure is fun to do.
in a brief description, how is it done? does it have to do with fluttering your hand? i've played around with it like that, but haven't come up with anything that sounds right, consistantly.
There are a couple of ways and I'm still learning but fluttering you hand over the bell is probably the easiest way to get started. The other way is through air control. The best way I know to explain it is if you know how to do a "feed call" with a duck call (tuga, tuga, tuga), do it in reverse. I am by far not consistent enough to be considered anywhere close to an expert. I have to warm up and get into a rythm to start getting descent gobbles. Even then, they are sporatic, mixed in with some bad notes. :)
Bobby