Occupy Wall Street, etc...

[ronmexico]

tough question and no real answer for that one....
I have meet a large number of Japaneese from different economic positions over many years, and I have to say the ethic of that worker is more driven than the AVERAGE worker here..from the very botton to the very top....I say that cautiouslly...but this kinda takes me back to the ENTITLEMENT SOCIETY our politicans have created over the past decades....those workers have seen it is easier to "work the system" than to work hard to progress!!!

bingo.

[wiltznucs]

Move along Ron, grown ups are speaking here...

[ronmexico]

Move along Ron, grown ups are speaking here...

sounds like you're on to something, discourage people from getting a college education.  brilliant idea! 

[wiltznucs]

Move along Ron, grown ups are speaking here...

sounds like you're on to something, discourage people from getting a college education.  brilliant idea!  

Ron, it appears that you're illiterate.  I noticed that you manipulated my statements in your quote.  I suggested no such thing, rather I posed a question and like always I can count on you to launch an attack without provocation.  Good to see you bud.  If you feel like contributing something substantial then by all means proceed.  Otherwise it appears your decision to join the discussion is disingenuous..

[ronmexico]

Move along Ron, grown ups are speaking here...

sounds like you're on to something, discourage people from getting a college education.  brilliant idea! 

Ron, it appears that you're illiterate.  I noticed that you manipulated my statements in your quote.  I suggested no such thing, rather I posed a question and like always I can count on you to launch an attack without provocation.  Good to see you bud....

and i laughed at your question.  where is this attack you speak of? 

[wiltznucs]

and i laughed at your question.  where is this attack you speak of?  

I'm sorry, I confused your well documented lack of candor as an attack.  Since you chose to issue a laugh icon and manipulate my quote instead of issuing a response as you did with Jeff you can see why I'd be confused.  My apologies...

[wiltznucs]

I have meet a large number of Japaneese from different economic positions over many years, and I have to say the ethic of that worker is more driven than the AVERAGE worker here..

It's hard to compare America to Japan due to cultural norms.  The job structure is different there, most employers hire for life and social norms require a high degree of employee/employer loyalty due to the lasting relationship between the worker and the employer.  Literally working ones self to death is actually considered a great and honorable death in Japanese culture.  I doubt we'll ever see that here...

[jmck]

you are right there on hiring for life---I take notice of that point.The cultures are different as you pointed out, but it hard for me to get past the entitlement society our political machine has created here in this great country. Just as in the courts, no one takes responsibility for anything...blame is alway laid off to another party somewhere in the past. People have to be responsible for their actions ...and destiny

[wiltznucs]

People have to be responsible for their actions ...and destiny

I agree 100%... But I'll add that corporations and businesses are not exempt from responsibility.  They have an ethical responsibility to the people they hire, the community they reside in, and the future of America.

[jmck]

Chad....you are right there also.
Greed is a thing that has halted many a successful man in his time.
Buisnesses deffinatlly have a ethical responsibility to all they employ...and as you stated to their community as well. Most small buisness share this concern, but when a place gets publically traded, seems thats when the wolves take over the hen house so to speak 

[GR8CALLS]

 Interesting comments on both sides. But what releif do all those who have gone to work and paid off all their loans get from all this? Nothing!  Also, the last time I looked, jobs are created through a demand for a product or service, not the other way around. You may think that forgiving debt is the answer, but when and where does all the forgiving stop?

Bill

[wiltznucs]

You may think that forgiving debt is the answer, but when and where does all the forgiving stop?

You're right, it does set a terrible precedent.  I have student loan debt and I took it on knowingly.  I made the agreement and I'm going to honor my commitment.

[GR8CALLS]

Chad

Since knowing you, I would have expected you to step up to the plate. what bothers me is that there are to many who knew full will what they were getting into yet expect to be bailed out. People need to take responsibility for their actions.

Bill

[B-Ready]

I've enjoyed your debate guy's. You all make good points. I have to agree entitlement's and undocumented worker's are killing this country. There was a time a man had pride..... Would refuse any help unless he could repay it back. I'm all about taking care of the elderly and giving a hand to those that need it till they can get back on there feet, as long a they are trying to. Not raise generations of people/families who choose to live off the system. I just wish there were a way to really be able to tell who needs help and weed out the one's that are just plum lazy. Please don't get me started on undocumented worker's.

[ronmexico]

I've enjoyed your debate guy's. You all make good points. I have to agree entitlement's and undocumented worker's are killing this country. There was a time a man had pride..... Would refuse any help unless he could repay it back. I'm all about taking care of the elderly and giving a hand to those that need it till they can get back on there feet, as long a they are trying to. Not raise generations of people/families who choose to live off the system. I just wish there were a way to really be able to tell who needs help and weed out the one's that are just plum lazy. Please don't get me started on undocumented worker's.

the undocumented workers, in large part, are a result of the entitlement issue.